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07-02-2008, 09:09 PM
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New Poll says Hispanics flocking to the Democratic party
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There was a growing consensus during the Democratic primary season that Obama was going to struggle with Latino voters -- due to the exit polls, his race, and McCain’s immigration stance. In fact, in that now-famous conference call in which Hillary Clinton indicated that she would be open to serving as Obama’s running mate, that response was spurred by concern by New York Rep. Nydia Velasquez (D) that Obama was going to have trouble with Latinos. But it looks like that CW -- at least right now -- was wrong. In addition to our recent NBC/WSJ poll, which showed Hispanics breaking for Obama 62%-28%, a new survey of 800 Latino voters from 21 states finds that 60% of them plan to vote for Obama versus 23% for McCain. That is down considerably from the 40%-plus Bush received in 2004. It’s no longer fair to say that Obama has a problem with Latino voters; McCain does.
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Some political experts assumed Obama's struggle to attract widespread Hispanic support in the primaries would carry over into the general-election campaign against the Republican candidate. But Hispanics have become a reliable Democratic voting bloc, and have so far shown little difficulty in transferring their loyalties from Clinton to Obama. Obama continues to lead McCain by about a 2-to-1 margin among Hispanic voters, as he has since March. Hispanic voters could be crucial in key swing states such as New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida.
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07-02-2008, 09:40 PM
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Yeah, but are they going to get to the polls?
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07-02-2008, 09:47 PM
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Yeah, but are they going to get to the polls?
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There should've been a wink-wink nudge-nudge after your statement, don't you think
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07-02-2008, 09:49 PM
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Racist.
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07-02-2008, 09:50 PM
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Racist.
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Where did that come from?
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07-02-2008, 09:51 PM
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They'll be driven there. Most likely in the backs of pickup trucks or hidden in semi trailers.
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07-02-2008, 10:51 PM
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They'll be driven there. Most likely in the backs of pickup trucks or hidden in semi trailers.
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I was thinking more along the lines of being denied the ability to vote for a laundry list of reasons, like many minorities experience.
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07-03-2008, 01:09 AM
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So another group with its hand out expecting any new Democratic administration to line it with gold stolen from someone else. Just wondering when the wealthy are simply going to be taxed at 100% to pay for the promises that will be given to every other group...
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07-03-2008, 01:57 AM
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So another group with its hand out expecting any new Democratic administration to line it with gold stolen from someone else. Just wondering when the wealthy are simply going to be taxed at 100% to pay for the promises that will be given to every other group...
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Whine all you want, they'll still be voting for us
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07-03-2008, 05:50 AM
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a bill richardson veep nod would bring hispanic support to an overwhelming level.
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07-03-2008, 10:06 AM
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a bill richardson veep nod would bring hispanic support to an overwhelming level.
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That would be awesome. A black guy and a brown guy on the same ticket. Why don't you guys go ahead and do that?
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07-03-2008, 10:21 AM
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That would be awesome. A black guy and a brown guy on the same ticket. Why don't you guys go ahead and do that?
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07-03-2008, 10:24 AM
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That would be awesome. A black guy and a brown guy on the same ticket. Why don't you guys go ahead and do that?
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So you are basically admitting that the GOP only care about Rich, white voters and their issues and that they practice the politics of bigotry and division. Duly noted. Thank you.
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07-03-2008, 10:38 AM
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At which point they'll want their payback, like every other special interest group that makes up the Democratic Party. And their payback is wanting an open border that can be marched across.
Good luck trying to keep them happy while you're trying not to piss off the ultra-feminists, the environmental wackos, the militant black groups, the teachers' union, the steelworkers' union, etc. etc,
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07-03-2008, 10:57 AM
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So you are basically admitting that the GOP only care about Rich, white voters and their issues and that they practice the politics of bigotry and division. Duly noted. Thank you.
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No. I'm making the observation that selling that ticket to a country that is 80% white might be a tough sell.
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07-03-2008, 10:58 AM
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No. I'm making the observation that selling that ticket to a country that is 80% white might be a tough sell.
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So you are saying that the majority of white america is racist and will not vote for a candidate not of their race. I love your optimism. I also would question your 80% white claim. I think the number is much less.
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07-03-2008, 11:03 AM
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So you are saying that the majority of white america is racist and will not vote for a candidate not of their race. I love your optimism. I also would question your 80% white claim. I think the number is much less.
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You're correct, my 80% is an error - the real number is 73.9%.
Detailed Tables - American FactFinder
I think that America will vote for one minority on a national ticket, but two might be pushing it. I'm just being cyncial.
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07-03-2008, 11:08 AM
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That would be awesome. A black guy and a brown guy on the same ticket. Why don't you guys go ahead and do that?
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I think they're both kind of brownish....
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07-03-2008, 11:10 AM
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You're correct, my 80% is an error - the real number is 73.9%.
Detailed Tables - American FactFinder
I think that America will vote for one minority on a national ticket, but two might be pushing it. I'm just being cyncial.
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I think you're absolutely right. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a utopian dream world where people dont have innate bigoted feelings. Fact is, a lot of people do. This is like the thread where people proposed Colin Powell on the ticket with Obama. That'd be suicide.
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07-03-2008, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove
You're correct, my 80% is an error - the real number is 73.9%.
Detailed Tables - American FactFinder
I think that America will vote for one minority on a national ticket, but two might be pushing it. I'm just being cyncial.
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There is no category for Hispanics. I wonder how many of that 73.9% white is hispanic.
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07-03-2008, 11:15 AM
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I think you're absolutely right. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a utopian dream world where people dont have innate bigoted feelings. Fact is, a lot of people do. This is like the thread where people proposed Colin Powell on the ticket with Obama. That'd be suicide.
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I disagree. The people who wouldn't vote for an Obama-Richardson ticket based on race wouldn't be voting for Obama no matter what. I fail to see how adding a minority running mate to a minority candidate's ticket would change the "racial equation" significantly. If whites were so dead set against voting for a minority, Obama would be getting crushed in the polls right now and probably wouldn't have beat Clinton for the nomination in the first place.
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07-03-2008, 12:24 PM
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There is no category for Hispanics. I wonder how many of that 73.9% white is hispanic.
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According to Wiki, 23.2 million of the white alone category also identify as hispanic, latino, etc.
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07-03-2008, 07:24 PM
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I disagree. The people who wouldn't vote for an Obama-Richardson ticket based on race wouldn't be voting for Obama no matter what. I fail to see how adding a minority running mate to a minority candidate's ticket would change the "racial equation" significantly. If whites were so dead set against voting for a minority, Obama would be getting crushed in the polls right now and probably wouldn't have beat Clinton for the nomination in the first place.
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Are you unable to make the distinction between democratic primary voters and general election voters? That'd be like saying registered democracts lined up at the polls today and overwhelmingly supported a proposition to give tax credits to gay couples. Given this, its bound to pass with flying colors when presented to the general public as well.
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