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08-15-2008, 10:15 AM
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Wow, it's like Russia doesn't even fear us
It's like they know our military is stretched too thin and Americans have been soured on military intervention of any kind thanks to an unecessary war for make believe reasons. 
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08-15-2008, 10:38 AM
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It's like they know our military is stretched too thin and Americans have been soured on military intervention of any kind thanks to an unecessary war for make believe reasons. |
Tell that to the Russian general that is blathering on about (undefined) serious consequences if we install our missile defense system in Poland. Yeah, they don't fear us at all. 
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08-15-2008, 10:44 AM
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Tell that to the American president that is blathering on about (undefined) serious consequences if Russia doesn't leave Georgia. Yeah, they don't fear us at all. |
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08-15-2008, 10:47 AM
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The Russians will leave Georgia. And we will deploy an anti-missile defense system in Poland. Hmmmm...
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08-15-2008, 10:49 AM
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The Russians will leave Georgia. And we will deploy an anti-missile defense system in Poland. Hmmmm...
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Thanks Russia 
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08-15-2008, 10:55 AM
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It's not that our military is streched thin - hell the Air Force and Navy are having a grand old time. It's the fact that Russia has quite correctly surmised that the US is not going to trade its Georgia for their Georgia.
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08-15-2008, 12:52 PM
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It's like they know our military is stretched too thin and Americans have been soured on military intervention of any kind thanks to an unecessary war for make believe reasons. |
I'm sure they do not fear us at all. They know that this country is soft and doesn't have the stomach to stick up for its policies abroad. They see that a Senator Obama is about to be elected and the Dems that support him do not see stemming this aggression as in U.S. interests. Please don't pretend that those that have lamented every military action taken by the current administration, would all of a sudden do something in this instance. They would not. No crime in that but there it is.
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08-15-2008, 01:08 PM
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I'm sure they do not fear us at all. They know that this country is soft and doesn't have the stomach to stick up for its policies abroad. They see that a Senator Obama is about to be elected and the Dems that support him do not see stemming this aggression as in U.S. interests. Please don't pretend that those that have lamented every military action taken by the current administration, would all of a sudden do something in this instance. They would not. No crime in that but there it is.
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I'm guessing you would see quite a different reaction when the public isn't lied to and the threat is real.
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08-15-2008, 01:14 PM
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It's like they know our military is stretched too thin and Americans have been soured on military intervention of any kind thanks to an unecessary war for make believe reasons.
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So how do you explain that Iraq didn't fear us?
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08-15-2008, 01:29 PM
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Putin knows a spineless bully when he sees one. He has known for some time that Bush2 was all talk and only interested in engaging weaklings like Iraq.
Putin also knows the Golden Rule and the US has no gold so no longer makes the rules. The debtor nations of the world are just along for the ride.
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08-15-2008, 01:33 PM
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Putin knows a spineless bully when he sees one. He has known for some time that Bush2 was all talk and only interested in engaging weaklings like Iraq.
Putin also knows the Golden Rule and the US has no gold so no longer makes the rules. The debtor nations of the world are just along for the ride.
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Oh ease back. The whole damn world knows the US and is not going to go to war with Russia over Georgia.
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08-15-2008, 01:34 PM
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Why we should fear RUssia:
1) They have our debt
2) They have oil
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08-15-2008, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Heaph
I'm sure they do not fear us at all. They know that this country is soft and doesn't have the stomach to stick up for its policies abroad. They see that a Senator Obama is about to be elected and the Dems that support him do not see stemming this aggression as in U.S. interests. Please don't pretend that those that have lamented every military action taken by the current administration, would all of a sudden do something in this instance. They would not. No crime in that but there it is.
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So Obama isn't even President yet and he's to blame for the Georgia incident......Wow you Cons sure do know how to reach don't you.
Tell me exactly what is GWB...you know the guy who has been President for almost 8 years now, responsible for in your mind.
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08-15-2008, 01:40 PM
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Oh ease back. The whole damn world knows the US and is not going to go to war with Russia over Georgia.
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It appears that got by the White House brain trust.
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08-15-2008, 01:45 PM
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Why we should fear RUssia:
1) They have our debt
2) They have oil
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They're barely in the top ten of US foreign debt holders.
http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt
It's only $65 billion.
Look what you people fail to realize is that they need our markets more than we need their goods. That's why they finance our debt.
We don't need to fear Russia, but we need to view them as a potential regional adversary and not as a friend.
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08-15-2008, 01:50 PM
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They're barely in the top ten of US foreign debt holders.
http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt
It's only $65 billion.
Look what you people fail to realize is that they need our markets more than we need their goods. That's why they finance our debt.
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Why does Russia "need " our markets? They "need" Europe and Europe is dependent on Russian natural gas. Right now Russia "needs" India and Pakistan a lot more than they need the US.
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08-15-2008, 01:51 PM
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Why we should fear RUssia:
1) They have our debt
2) They have oil
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Why we should certainly take Russia into account in the short-term:
1) They hold some of our debt
2) They have oil and natural gas
3) They're siding with just about every rogue regime we are trying to neuter
Why we shouldn't worry about Russia in the long term
1) We have nuclear primacy
2) Their military is a shell of its former self
3) Russia's population is currently 140 million. If present demographic trends contiue, it will be under 100 million and as low as 70 million by mid-century.
4) tUS population is now over 300 million. It is projected to be around 550-600 million by 2050
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08-15-2008, 02:05 PM
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Why does Russia "need " our markets? They "need" Europe and Europe is dependent on Russian natural gas. Right now Russia "needs" India and Pakistan a lot more than they need the US.
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I should have made my posting clearer. Obviously it would not be a great economic loss to either nation if the USA and Russia stopped trading. Politically, it would be a bad thing.
I was generalizing about the holders of US debt (specifically China and Japan) needing our markets. Sorry bout that.
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08-15-2008, 02:12 PM
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I should have made my posting clearer. Obviously it would not be a great economic loss to either nation if the USA and Russia stopped trading. Politically, it would be a bad thing.
I was generalizing about the holders of US debt (specifically China and Japan) needing our markets. Sorry bout that.
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Ok, so where do I need to get my Mail Order Bride from?
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08-15-2008, 02:15 PM
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1) We have nuclear primacy
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Yeah but they made a bigger boom.
Imagine dropping a bomb on Lansing and people in Grand Rapids get 3rd degree burns from the heat. People in Washington DC could have windows broken.
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08-15-2008, 02:16 PM
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Ok, so where do I need to get my Mail Order Bride from?
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I'd suggest Ukraine, Romania, and Belarus before Mother Russia.
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08-15-2008, 02:18 PM
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It's like they know our military is stretched too thin and Americans have been soured on military intervention of any kind thanks to an unecessary war for make believe reasons. |
Yeah, it's not like the good old days, when Americans loved military intervention...
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08-15-2008, 02:25 PM
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So Obama isn't even President yet and he's to blame for the Georgia incident......Wow you Cons sure do know how to reach don't you.
Tell me exactly what is GWB...you know the guy who has been President for almost 8 years now, responsible for in your mind.
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See this is one of many problems. I don't blame Senator Obama for the Georgia incident. I apologize if that is how it was read. I don't blame President Bush either. I blame RUSSIA for the Georgia incident. Not everything that happens in this world should be blamed on President Bush or the impending election of Senator Obama.
My point is that Russia doesn't fear the US (in terms of a military response) because the obvious front runner for the Presidency (hence leader of our foriegn policy) and his party are "anit-war". Their public posture is one that if the U.S. is not directly attacked, then they (the Dems) are unwilling to move into an armed conflict. Therefore, Russia doesn't fear the U.S.
Personally, I think it IS in the interest of the U.S. for reasons that are too deep and analytical to debate on a website (this one anyway).
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