Death Penalty Is A Deterrent - Page 2 - SpartanTailgate.com

Enrico Palazzo · 08-15-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

Nope - when he was executed he was officially and pemanently "discouraged" from killing anyone else. Semantics won't save you on this one.

but it didn't discourage him from killing someone in the first place. If the death penalty discouraged murder then there would be no murder in death penalty states....but there is - moreso than in non death penalty states in fact. Fail!

Semantics won't save you on this one. Just admit your epic fail on this one and move on to another mindless argument of yours.

Jesus H. Christ · 08-15-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano

I'm not a biblical scholar, but isn't one of the 10 Commandments "thou shalt not kill"?

or does god make an exception if it's government sponsored murder??

Book of Deuteronomy - 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

its a pretty good book, you should give it a read sometime

you may want to read it soon, do not boast about tomorrow for you do not know what the day may bring.....I'm just sayin'.

Enrico Palazzo · 08-15-2008, 01:25 PM

the Old Testament (before Jesus) also advocated the Death Penalty in the following cases:

The Old Testament Law prescribed the death penalty for an extensive list of crimes including:

Murder (Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 24:17,21)
Attacking or cursing a parent (Exodus 21:15,17)
Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16)
Failure to confine a dangerous animal, resulting in death (Exodus 21:28-29)
Witchcraft and sorcery (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 13:5, 1 Samuel 28:9)
Sex with an animal (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:16)
Doing work on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, 35:2, Numbers 15:32-36)
Incest (Leviticus 18:6-18, 20:11-12,14,17,19-21)
Adultery (Leviticus 20:10; Deuteronomy 22:22)
Homosexual acts (Leviticus 20:13)
Prostitution by a priest's daughter (Leviticus 21:9)
Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14,16, 23)
False prophecy (Deuteronomy 18:20)
Perjury in capital cases (Deuteronomy 19:16-19)
False claim of a woman's virginity at time of marriage (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
Sex between a woman pledged to be married and a man other than her betrothed (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

Seems to be a lot of justification for murder in the Old Testament then.

Last Post · 08-15-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

Nope - when he was executed he was officially and pemanently "discouraged" from killing anyone else. Semantics won't save you on this one.

semantics? It's called the ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

If you don't know how to use it, how are you ever going to prove your point?

What you stated was incorrect. The words "discouraged" or "dissuaded" are also incorrect....as Mr Rodriguez was neither.

Being illogical won't save you on this one..

The whole idea of CP being a deterrant is that people who are thinking of committing a crime, stop and don't commit that crime because of FEAR OR DOUBT.

Sorry the concpet is so hard for you to grasp. It's not semantics ITS THE ****ING HEART OF THE DISCUSSION.

kaiserpete · 08-15-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H. Christ

Book of Deuteronomy - 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

its a pretty good book, you should give it a read sometime

you may want to read it soon, do not boast about tomorrow for you do not know what the day may bring.....I'm just sayin'.

Yo Jesus...what are your thoughts on the hippie mantra "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? Cause ya see, this past Tuesday a guy that went to my grade school and graduated with my sister (St. Clements - Toledo, OH) was shot in the back of the head by some worthless little punk.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...140380/-1/NEWS

I guess I don't really understand the rationale for not removing this punk from the ranks of the living.

I'll take my answer off the line.

Bob Sakimano · 08-15-2008, 01:33 PM

this thread is a wonderful example of the hypocrisy of the "pro-life" crowd..

IndoSpartan · 08-15-2008, 01:43 PM

The Bible clearly supports capital punishment.
The Bible and the Death Penalty in the New Testament

My argument is our legal system though pretty good is not perfect. I think better to err on the more merciful side. On an economic side (as already said) it is cheaper to keep someone in jail than to execute them, weird huh? The thread is bogus as it is lie that the death penalty is a deterent.

IndoSpartan · 08-15-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano

this thread is a wonderful example of the hypocrisy of the "pro-life" crowd..

Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

MSU '73 · 08-15-2008, 01:47 PM

bullwrinkle "logic" on display for all to see.

Bullwrinkle is still trying to figure out the meaning of his own words.

It was quite clear to everyone else.

Jack78 · 08-15-2008, 01:51 PM

Yet another classic bullwrinkle-get-slapped-down thread.

He starts the thread but doesn't even know the meaning of the word "deterrent" and doesn't provide an example that supports his warped "thought process". Just classic.

wrinkles completely twisted logic aside, Rodreguez escaped in less time than the average inmate spends on death row ... just like this guy.

kaiserpete · 08-15-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano

this thread is a wonderful example of the hypocrisy of the "pro-life" crowd..

Yeah, cause not giving two ****s about the murder of 1.3 million fetuses every year while simultaneously trying to protect murderers from being executed is a fundamentally consistent moral code.

Last Post · 08-15-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack78

Yet another classic bullwrinkle-get-slapped-down thread.

He starts the thread but doesn't even know the meaning of the word "deterrent" and doesn't provide an example that supports his warped "thought process". Just classic.

wrinkles completely twisted logic aside, Rodreguez escaped in less time than the average inmate spends on death row ... just like this guy.

I think BW must hang with an unsophisticated crowd, maybe some HS graduates. I can see them quoting A-Team or LL Cool J regularly.

"Yeah man, he be 100% deterred, mofo!"

That's the cool Reagan-esque "I'm a tough ass, wait for my clever retort" generational thingy.

What's sad is that what once was obviously a comment made jokingly cuts across serious discussion. So some joker who says a dead man is 100% deterred carries over to a serious conversation about the merits of the death penalty. People are just intellectually lazy and everyone with a little knowledge (aka Hannity, Rush Limbaugh or your neighborhood HS dropout) seems to think they are intellectuals.

SpartanStu · 08-15-2008, 02:03 PM

I dont think Bullwrinkle is coming back to this thread for a while.

Its too bad, I owe him a bunch of these:

Bob Sakimano · 08-15-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kaiserpete

Yeah, cause not giving two ****s about the murder of 1.3 million fetuses every year while simultaneously trying to protect murderers from being executed is a fundamentally consistent moral code.

post #6 - in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Me

as someone who is pro-life and respects the sanctity of all life, I am morally and ethically opposed with the premise of the "death" penalty

Last Post · 08-15-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kaiserpete

Yeah, cause not giving two ****s about the murder of 1.3 million fetuses every year while simultaneously trying to protect murderers from being executed is a fundamentally consistent moral code.

i think he's saying that ppl like u go as far to value a fetus as life, but then a living person you are so willing to kill.

The idea u call yourself "pro-life" is a joke. You're not really pro-life if you support any type of murder. You would be a quaker if you were really pro-life.

No, you are pro-self-rightous. You don't consider life per se as sacred, just certain life that you deem sacred.

Bob Sakimano · 08-15-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Last Post

i think he's saying that ppl like u go as far to value a fetus as life, but then a living person you are so willing to kill.

The idea u call yourself "pro-life" is a joke. You're not really pro-life if you support any type of murder. You would be a quaker if you were really pro-life.

No, you are pro-self-rightous. You don't consider life per se as sacred, just certain life that you deem sacred.

kaiserpete · 08-15-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Last Post

i think he's saying that ppl like u go as far to value a fetus as life, but then a living person you are so willing to kill.

The idea u call yourself "pro-life" is a joke. You're not really pro-life if you support any type of murder. You would be a quaker if you were really pro-life.

No, you are pro-self-rightous. You don't consider life per se as sacred, just certain life that you deem sacred.

I suppose I don't view the use of state-sponsored execution as murder - assuming of course that the executed was guilty of whatever heinous crime got him/her in the situation of becoming an executee. It is somewhat akin to my view that a soldier that kills an enemy soldier in a justified war is not committing murder either.

Last Post · 08-15-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kaiserpete

I suppose I don't view the use of state-sponsored execution as murder - assuming of course that the executed was guilty of whatever heinous crime got him/her in the situation of becoming an executee. It is somewhat akin to my view that a soldier that kills an enemy soldier in a justified war is not committing murder either.

then you don't find life sacred. life is life. you can't nit-pick.

Pretending you care about all life is your hypocrisy. You are NOT pro-life, you don't value all life, OBVIOUSLY. You're no different than someone like Mr Rodriguez who prolly says "I don't see killing a cop to keep myself free as murder".

Jack's Smirking Revenge · 08-15-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartanStu

I dont think Bullwrinkle is coming back to this thread for a while.

Its too bad, I owe him a bunch of these:

You people are ignoring Bullwrinkle's logic. While the threat of capital punishment doesn't stop people from killing other people, carrying out capital punishment does.

According to Bullwrinkle's reasoning, if our government would simply kill every American citizen, there would be no more murders. Voila - capital punishment works.

caspper69 · 08-15-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

Wow I reeled in my limit on this one. 73 - see if you can follow along just for once.

The guy was sentenced to life in prison for murder - however he escaped and killed a police officer.

Had he been sentenced to death and executed - he would not have killed said police officer.

Hence - the death penalty would have been a 100% deterrent against him killing anyone else.

Class dismissed - Glad you all learned something today.

Um, methinks you're not very smart

Methinks you need to look up what the definition of a deterrent is, especially in the context of the death penalty being a deterrent.

I'm not against the death penalty, but I am against moran level arguments that make no sense.

Dude, seriously, this is an epic failure of a post. EPIC.

10% >>>>>> Bully

Enrico Palazzo · 08-15-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

You people are ignoring Bullwrinkle's logic. While the threat of capital punishment doesn't stop people from killing other people, carrying out capital punishment does.

According to Bullwrinkle's reasoning, if our government would simply kill every American citizen, there would be no more murders. Voila - capital punishment works.

Damn, you nailed it.

Apparently Hitler was making sure that German Jews didn't commit murder, and Stalin prevented tens of millions from commiting murder. Pol Pot, who knows how many murders he deterred in the Killing Fields and those dudes in Darfur, just preventing murders, that's all. I see it all clearly now. Thanks Bully!