tOfficial McCain Houses Thread

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by Ignignokt

That's the thing...Obama is VERY good at patience while his opponent attacks and attacks. Then, when it comes time he turns it all back on you and makes you look foolish.

When someone lets you keep swinging and swinging, it means one of two things:

1) He's pulling a rope-a-dope like Ali
2) He's just not that good

November tells us which one Obama is.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

Although I think GWB legitimately did not know the price of a gallon of milk.

$5.29/gallon skimmed organic milk. And I use more gallons of milk than gas

[spartyonbeale]

Why does it even matter...If he had 25 houses or 3? Isn't his CHOICE how many houses he has? It is not a PRIVATE CHOICE?

Why is it a big deal for the left? What is the point? Please explain?

[CoSpartan]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

Why does it even matter...If he had 25 houses or 3? Isn't his CHOICE how many houses he has? It is not a PRIVATE CHOICE?

Why is it a big deal for the left? What is the point? Please explain?

It probably wouldn't big as big a deal if McCain hadn't been trying to paint Obama as some kind of elitists.

Thus, when McSame mentions he has no idea how many houses he owns, it is pretty much a slam dunk.

Try to read more and maybe you will be able to keep up. I know it's hard when you get all your information from Hannity and Limbaugh.

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by CoSpartan

It probably wouldn't big as big a deal if McCain hadn't been trying to paint Obama as some kind of elitists.

Thus, when McSame mentions he has no idea how many houses he owns, it is pretty much a slam dunk.

Try to read more and maybe you will be able to keep up. I know it's hard when you get all your information from Hannity and Limbaugh.

You need to understand that just being rich does not equal elitist....do you think Dale earnhardt or Ray Lewis are elitists? As soon as McCain mentions something similar to the price of arugala then you can throw out the hypocrite card

[CoSpartan]

Originally Posted by Feckweed

You need to understand that just being rich does not equal elitist....do you think Dale earnhardt or Ray Lewis are elitists? As soon as McCain mentions something similar to the price of arugala then you can throw out the hypocrite card

We are not discussing my definition of elite. I'm just trying to explain while the Obama campaign jumped on McCain's ignorance about his own finances.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

Why does it even matter...If he had 25 houses or 3? Isn't his CHOICE how many houses he has? It is not a PRIVATE CHOICE?

Why is it a big deal for the left? What is the point? Please explain?

I'm guessing it's something along the lines of:

A multimillionaire with a bunch of real estate says the economy is fine when over 8 million people are unemployed, banks are repossessing homes at triple the rate they did a year ago, the dollar has been smacked around for about a year, and what's probably the most damning, consumer confidence is near its multi-decade low.

McCain says the economy is fine when the rest of the nation says it's the worst they've felt about it in nearly 30 years. I'm guessing that's what the point is. And from a strategic angle, having a (former) aide call America "a nation of whiners" doesn't play well.

[CoSpartan]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

I'm guessing it's something along the lines of:

A multimillionaire with a bunch of real estate says the economy is fine when over 8 million people are unemployed, banks are repossessing homes at triple the rate they did a year ago, the dollar has been smacked around for about a year, and what's probably the most damning, consumer confidence is near its multi-decade low.

McCain says the economy is fine when the rest of the nation says it's the worst they've felt about it in nearly 30 years. I'm guessing that's what the point is. And from a strategic angle, having a (former) aide call America "a nation of whiners" doesn't play well.

Yeah, you are more correct.

McCain is advised by some one who believes there is no recession and in fact it is just in our head. We are making it up, there is no recession!

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by CoSpartan

Yeah, you are more correct.

McCain is advised by some one who believes there is no recession and in fact it is just in our head. We are making it up, there is no recession!

Personally I've got no problem McCain is wealthy to the point he doesn't keep track or doesn't want to divulge his holdings. To be prosperous enough to do okay regardless of what government does for or to you should be the goal of every American. He shouldn't have to apologize for having resources, no matter how he got them.

For him to say "Oh we're doing fine" in light of the above, however, suggests that at worst McCain isn't in touch with reality. At best it suggests he's not in touch with what Americans are thinking. There's a way to say "Yeah, things aren't good right now but compared to where we've been we're still doing okay." Saying your prospective voters are bitching too much is not the way to get your message across.

[gressr]

You can't expect a man to keep track of how many houses he has! Why, next thing you'll be demanding he keep track of his servants ... or mistresses.

[Ignignokt]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

When someone lets you keep swinging and swinging, it means one of two things:

1) He's pulling a rope-a-dope like Ali
2) He's just not that good

November tells us which one Obama is.

I would argue that January and February told us which one he is. That is why I have been able to stand the last month or so.

[ErnieMcCracken]

McCain is gonna get hammered by everyone at the convention next week. They are going to mock and make fun of him.

[GRR Spartan]

If you want to start the name calling and insinuation of folks acting elite one should be quick to point out that it's Cindy McCain that pays for the millions in 7 units of housing which McCain is associated.

But then McCain really hasn't wanted his wife's wealth to be front and center because it puts another hole in his man of the people image.

[ErnieMcCracken]

The question of how many houses you have is a pretty basic question that 99% of America would have no trouble answering. It also fits in neatly with a documented running narrative from McCain stating he doesnt know much about economics to his top economic advisor calling us a nation of whiners. It also highlights the facts McCain's tax policies are not aimed at common folk but aimed at people just like John McCain- the very rich.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

McCain is gonna get hammered by everyone at the convention next week. They are going to mock and make fun of him.

That's what political conventions are for - well that and blow jobs from hookers.

And that goes for both parties

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by Ignignokt

I would argue that January and February told us which one he is. That is why I have been able to stand the last month or so.

Hillary didn't really reach her stride hitting Obama until it was too late - if she had hit him in January and February like she did in April and May she would be the nominee not him.

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

If you want to start the name calling and insinuation of folks acting elite one should be quick to point out that it's Cindy McCain that pays for the millions in 7 units of housing which McCain is associated.

But then McCain really hasn't wanted his wife's wealth to be front and center because it puts another hole in his man of the people image.

What's really disturbing is that John McCain takes credit for his wife's charitable donations, but doesn't claim her income as his - he even claimed that half of the donations came from his pocket and used it to show that a high percentage of his income went to charity. This is from the McCain campaign (bold font added by me):

Contact: Press Office

Friday, April 18, 2008
703-650-5550


ARLINGTON, VA -- Today, U.S. Senator John McCain's campaign released his tax returns for 2006 and 2007. Senator McCain's tax returns show that he paid $157,231 in federal taxes for 2006 and 2007. In the past two years, Senator and Mrs. McCain have contributed $340,323 to charitable causes. Below please find summary information about Senator McCain's 2006 and 2007 tax returns.

In 2006, Senator and Mrs. McCain donated $129,390 from community assets to charity, of which Senator McCain's one-half allocation was $64,695. This is 19% of his adjusted gross income.

In 2007, Senator and Mrs. McCain donated $210,933 from community assets to charity, of which Senator McCain's one-half allocation is $105,467. This is 27.2% of his adjusted gross income for the year.

Note about Mrs. McCain's financial information:

Since the beginning of their marriage, Senator McCain and Mrs. McCain have always maintained separate finances. As required by federal law and Senate rules, Mrs. McCain has released significant and extensive financial information through Senate and Presidential disclosure forms. In the interest of protecting the privacy of her children, Mrs. McCain will not be releasing her personal tax returns.

The McCain camp later released a partial tax return for Cindy from 2006. The media have completely let him off the hook.

[lars]

[quote=CoSpartan;4986248]It probably wouldn't big as big a deal if McCain hadn't been trying to paint Obama as some kind of elitists.

/quote]

Elitism is not about money..it about ATTITUDE. McCain doesn't have it. Obama does. You can be dirt poor and still be an elitist. Just look at all the liberal college professors who think they are elite but have no money.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by lars

Elitism is not about money..it about ATTITUDE. McCain doesn't have it. Obama does.

Can you explain that one to me? I mean, don't get me wrong, I've been harping on about the first two sentences since the elitist term first got thrown around this election. But it can't just be arrogance. Both of them think they should lead the free world, how is that NOT arrogant? What are they supposed to say, "Oh, I think I'd do an okay job, nothing spectacular though?" Can you explain what it is that makes a guy elitist for me?

[lars]

Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

What's really disturbing is that John McCain takes credit for his wife's charitable donations, but doesn't claim her income as his - he even claimed that half of the donations came from his pocket and used it to show that a high percentage of his income went to charity. This is from the McCain campaign (bold font added by me):

Did you even read the press release? It says the charitible donations came from COMMUNITY ASSETS. Which means those assets are both owned by John and Cindy (ie a something like a joint checking account or joint stocks). They then properly credit 50% of the donations to John McCain. Which on a joint asset he is the co-owner or 50% owner. This goes directly to his income on his tax return (filed seperately). So it is 100% accurate..its his money and donations.

[GRR Spartan]

[quote=lars;4986635]

Originally Posted by CoSpartan

It probably wouldn't big as big a deal if McCain hadn't been trying to paint Obama as some kind of elitists.

/quote]

Elitism is not about money..it about ATTITUDE. McCain doesn't have it. Obama does. You can be dirt poor and still be an elitist. Just look at all the liberal college professors who think they are elite but have no money.

Classic

McCain has access to the money, enjoys everything $5 million per year gets him but he's just regular folks.

Won't get fooled again lars.

[lars]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

Can you explain that one to me? I mean, don't get me wrong, I've been harping on about the first two sentences since the elitist term first got thrown around this election. But it can't just be arrogance. Both of them think they should lead the free world, how is that NOT arrogant? What are they supposed to say, "Oh, I think I'd do an okay job, nothing spectacular though?" Can you explain what it is that makes a guy elitist for me?

Here is just one example...creating your own presidential seal. He is not even president yet he sure presents the impression that he thinks he is there already.

[WavSpartan]

So let me get this straight, the number of houses that you have is a personal issue, but a relationship with a half-brother you've met twice who lives all the way around the world is relevant?