tOfficial McCain Houses Thread

[ErnieMcCracken]

[quote=lars;4986635][quote=CoSpartan;4986248]It probably wouldn't big as big a deal if McCain hadn't been trying to paint Obama as some kind of elitists.

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Elitism is not about money..it about ATTITUDE. McCain doesn't have it. Obama does. You can be dirt poor and still be an elitist. Just look at all the liberal college professors who think they are elite but have no money.[/QUOTE

Those 500 dollar shoes McCain has a fondness for doesnt show a degree of attitude if going by your very subjective definition? I think someone's shopping behavior is revealing. McCain has no concept for the working class. His definition of rich is 5 million dollars.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by lars

Here is just one example...creating your own presidential seal. He is not even president yet he sure presents the impression that he thinks he is there already.

I think that can go either way. It can certainly be viewed as "Holy crap, the guy thinks he's President already." On the other hand, it can also be viewed for what I think it is, a marketing ploy designed to connect the image of the Office of the President with the image of the target (Obama). I highly doubt the guy thinks he can coast to victory, and his massive recruiting and fundraising efforts seem to bear that out.

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by lars

Did you even read the press release? It says the charitible donations came from COMMUNITY ASSETS. Which means those assets are both owned by John and Cindy (ie a something like a joint checking account or joint stocks). They then properly credit 50% of the donations to John McCain. Which on a joint asset he is the co-owner or 50% owner. This goes directly to his income on his tax return (filed seperately). So it is 100% accurate..its his money and donations.

Technically, he gets the credit - no ****. But when he claims that his share of the donations amounts to 27.2% of his income in 2007, he's making an obvious attempt to look far more charitable than he is. He's claiming credit in a press release for the donations his wife affords him to give, but won't tell us what percentage of the household income went to charity.

You're a Republican, so you won't question your candidate. It's too bad that your partisanship prevents you from asking for a little information about the finances of the guy you're supporting.

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by WavSpartan

So let me get this straight, the number of houses that you have is a personal issue, but a relationship with a half-brother you've met twice who lives all the way around the world is relevant?

So if he lives "all the way around the world" doesn't that mean he lives right near him?

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by Darkness

Yeah, some people are trying to find fault in McCain for owning many homes, but its ok to not care about how your brother is doing... That makes alot of sense to me.

That's "half-brother". You know about half-siblings, don't you? Sometimes one of them claims that the other doesn't even exist:

Cindy McCain's half-sister: 'Painful' to be ignored
by Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts - Aug. 19, 2008 11:23 PM
The Washington Post

WASHINGTON - When Cindy McCain talks about growing up, she usually refers to herself as an "only child" - a phrase that ignores the existence of her half-sisters.

"It's terribly painful," Kathleen Hensely Portalski said Tuesday. "It is as if she is the real daughter. I am also a real daughter."

link

[New User]

Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

That's "half-brother". You know about half-siblings, don't you? Sometimes one of them claims that the other doesn't even exist:

Lets see, Obamanation and the radical fanatics go after CINDY McCain, and compare her to Barak, that does not even know where his half brother is..

Big difference there jackie, try again, your point would be semi valid if Cindy was running against Barack

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

Hillary didn't really reach her stride hitting Obama until it was too late - if she had hit him in January and February like she did in April and May she would be the nominee not him.

She didn't hit him in April and May; the mainstream media's obsession with Rev. Wright did.

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by Darkness

Lets see, Obamanation and the radical fanatics go after CINDY McCain, and compare her to Barak, that does not even know where his half brother is..

Big difference there jackie, try again, your point would be semi valid if Cindy was running against Barack

Your semi-literate rambling would make some sense, except for three things:

1. Your party has shown that spouses are targets.

2. Cindy McCain owns John; she carries the wallet in that family, even if she won't let anyone see how much cash is in it.

3. The fact that her half-sister doesn't exist is the reason Cindy got all of daddy's money, allowing her to run for First Lady.

[Ignignokt]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

Hillary didn't really reach her stride hitting Obama until it was too late - if she had hit him in January and February like she did in April and May she would be the nominee not him.

There was no way she could mathematically win after the Texas/Ohio elections in the beginning of March. the only people who thought otherwise were delusional Clintonistas. That's like talking about how your team won the 4th quarter and only lost by 10, therefore you would win a rematch.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by Ignignokt

There was no way she could mathematically win after the Texas/Ohio elections in the beginning of March. the only people who thought otherwise were delusional Clintonistas. That's like talking about how your team won the 4th quarter and only lost by 10, therefore you would win a rematch.

Right she was shellshocked and by the time she figured out how to beat him it was too late.

[Ignignokt]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

Right she was shellshocked and by the time she figured out how to beat him it was too late.

She didn't figure out how to beat him - she simply figured out how to fight him to slightly better than a draw when presented with a slate of states that was demographically favorable. "Working Class Hillary" was a regional gimmick and if she had gone that route starting in January she would have lost a ton of votes in states earlier in the election. For example, Working Class Warrior for White People Hillary would have gotten a complete ass kicking in California.

[sprtnbrn]

I think some on the right are forgetting one basic tenet here. Keep the attacks simple. Remember the "I voted before the bill before I voted against it" attack against Kerry. It was simple because it conveyed his propensity to flip flop. The "I don't know how many houses I own" attack works because it plays into Obama's already existing argument that McCain doesn't understand middle class Americans who own 1 house in all likelihood. For a politician to lose count of how many houses he owns when he thinks the economy is fine makes McCain seem out of touch with Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Pennsylvania workers.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

Technically, he gets the credit - no ****. But when he claims that his share of the donations amounts to 27.2% of his income in 2007, he's making an obvious attempt to look far more charitable than he is. He's claiming credit in a press release for the donations his wife affords him to give, but won't tell us what percentage of the household income went to charity..

If you think it through, (though you probably can't), the McCains probably end up paying more tax by filing this way. If as you Dems claim, Cindy has all the money, they'd pay less tax by assigning the full deduction to Cindy's return, since she's probably paying more at the highest rate of tax.

You should be grateful the McCains voluntarily pay more tax than they need to. Nothing you'd ever catch a Dem doing (see John Kerry)

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by tuff bob

If you think it through, (though you probably can't), the McCains probably end up paying more tax by filing this way. If as you Dems claim, Cindy has all the money, they'd pay less tax by assigning the full deduction to Cindy's return, since she's probably paying more at the highest rate of tax.

You should be grateful the McCains voluntarily pay more tax than they need to. Nothing you'd ever catch a Dem doing (see John Kerry)

Yes, and I'm sure they file separately only so they can pay more in taxes. The fact that it makes it really easy to hide thier finances is just a happy coincidence.

Is it impossible for you Republicans to be even slightly skeptical of your candidates?

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by gressr

You can't expect a man to keep track of how many houses he has! Why, next thing you'll be demanding he keep track of his servants ... or mistresses.

....or keep track of the federal budget, or keep track of subordinates, or keep track of foreign relations, or.............

[VP Sarah Palin]

"Seven houses"

Rich, elitist, forgetful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRYiyuCaOHw

[PRStoetzer]

This is a dumb issue. McCain didn't answer because media reports had varied widely and it isn't cut and dry about what houses are his, his and Cindy's, owned by Cindy's business interests, etc. Even if it were, McCain doesn't handle that stuff. The assets of himself and his wife are certainly managed under a holding company. 7 is the number used by the Obama campaign, but the true number has been reported as being anywhere between 5 and 12.

McCain's staff knew this issue would be raised at some point and his staff had advised him to refer that question to his staff so that the media could be provided with the proper breakdown.

Why should McCain worry about his financial holdings anyway? I think he should focus on the issues that he will need to address as President of the United States.

[VP Sarah Palin]

Originally Posted by PRStoetzer

Why should McCain worry about his financial holdings anyway? I think he should focus on the issues that he will need to address as President of the United States.

You still don't get it do you? US presidential elections have literally zero to do with issues anymore. It's all about regurgitating talking points. "Flag pins," "hand over heart," "tire gauges," ...

Example: If your buddy wants to give you **** at work about who you're voting for.

"Hey PR, you eat any good arugula lately?
"Well arugula is actually very tasty, and nutritious" - FAIL

"Hey PR, you eat any good arugula lately?"
"At least I don't own 7 houses and call my wife a ****." - WIN

It only takes about 15 minutes for a news channel to report the news for the day and they have another 23:45 to kill. Gaffes like this are prime fodder for cable news, pundits, and dinner conversation.

It also could morph into a "he can't name how many houses he has, what else will he forget?" (Czechoslovakia, German President Putin) so that this one gaffe will open the floodgates.

[MSU '73]

Originally Posted by PRStoetzer

This is a dumb issue. McCain didn't answer because media reports had varied widely and it isn't cut and dry about what houses are his, his and Cindy's, owned by Cindy's business interests, etc. Even if it were, McCain doesn't handle that stuff. The assets of himself and his wife are certainly managed under a holding company. 7 is the number used by the Obama campaign, but the true number has been reported as being anywhere between 5 and 12.

McCain's staff knew this issue would be raised at some point and his staff had advised him to refer that question to his staff so that the media could be provided with the proper breakdown.

Why should McCain worry about his financial holdings anyway? I think he should focus on the issues that he will need to address as President of the United States.

McCain is just ignorant. His statement where he defined being "rich" in America is earning $5 Million a year shows he is completely out of touch with reality.

[PRStoetzer]

Originally Posted by MSU '73

McCain is just ignorant. His statement where he defined being "rich" in America is earning $5 Million a year shows he is completely out of touch with reality.

That was clearly intended as a joke. Go back and look at the tape.

[VP Sarah Palin]

Originally Posted by PRStoetzer

That was clearly intended as a joke. Go back and look at the tape.

It DOESN'T MATTER!! All the American people will hear is "5 million is rich"

Which Obama can turn into 2.5 is "middle class," 1.0 is "poor..."

Politics is all about being petty now, there's no substance anymore

[GRR Spartan]

John Kerry as the kind of guy who wouldn't sit down and have a beer with you was dumb too but Bush2 used it.

With the US housing market tanking and home foreclosure rates approaching post depression record highs the "I'll have my staff get back with you" and the final number of homes being 7 is a hammer.

If Obama had given that answer you can bet the McCain advisers would have done the same thing.

The 5 million dollar comment was a flip answer and once again gave the opposition a great campaign quote.

[ErnieMcCracken]

Originally Posted by PRStoetzer