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08-22-2008, 10:42 AM
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People who are voting for McCain just aren't thinking clearly...
The Republican Party has done just about everything it can to depart from its traditional values...
Fiscal Conservatism (the deficit is reason enough), Individual Rights (can't fart without the government and globalist corporations knowing about it), especially rights of privacy (traditionally, the Pubs always stood for "getting government out of our private lives"), allowing a true security threat via open borders, and not helping the veterans (Walter Reed...) and outright corruption (Halliburton no-bid contracts, and a whole list of other misappropriations regarding the war).
Yet, like many on this board...you steadfastly refuse to change your party...why?
My advice....don't vote for McCain.....fine...don't vote for Obama if you don't want....but to vote for the party that has abandoned all of your ideals? 
Finally, I think it is pretty clear that McCain actually wants a war in Iran and Pakistan...
And if that doesn't scare you...then...well...I won't say it but..but geesh...wake up.
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08-22-2008, 10:50 AM
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LMFAO!
Wow, what a hypocrite. You start a thread saying "Vote For Obama.....BECAUSE McCain sucks".
And then attack people for wanting McCain because they hate Obama?
And it doesn't surprise me that some 18 year old chick who prolly spends more time watching The Hills than keeping up on global and domestic politics is infatuated with Mr Dreamboat Obama.
Yes we can.... 
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When did I make a thread saying vote for obama because mccain sucks?
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08-22-2008, 10:51 AM
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When did I make a thread saying vote for obama because mccain sucks?
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08-22-2008, 10:51 AM
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Yet, like many on this board...you steadfastly refuse to change your party...why?
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Is that like Bill Clinton voting for NAFTA? Or Hillary being the top senator receiving money from health insurance companies and pharma companies?
Or Bill Clinton putting through an increase for foreign visa workers (i.e. undermining the american worker)? Or Bill Clinton giving China favored nation status?
Or Barack Obama supporting Fisa legislation?
Or Barack Obama going against gun control?
Or Barak Obama going against campaign finance reform?
Yeah, the dems are strong to their base....not. It's no wonder many UAW workers voted for Bush.
What's funny is seeing the bickering back and forth between McCain and Obama supporters.....as if it's UofM vs MSU in football. Both sides are going to give corporations and wealthy ppl what they want. Don't fool yourself. Both candidates are far more similar than disimilar.
Why would you vote for either, unless you were BRAINWASHED into thinking you HAVE NO CHOICE.
Last edited by Last Post; 08-22-2008 at 10:58 AM.
Reason: Obama sucks.
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08-22-2008, 10:53 AM
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I guess I missed where I said McCain sucks. Excuse me for asking a legitimate question. I have yet to see a McCain supporter tell me why they are voting FOR McCain...not why they aren't voting for Barack.
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08-22-2008, 10:55 AM
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When did I make a thread saying vote for obama because mccain sucks?
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I can't seem to understand that if people are so disgruntled by the past 8 failed years under the Bush administration, why would they vote for someone who agrees with Bush on over 90% of the issues....
McCain = Bush's 3rd term in my opinion.
So McCain gets elected, the people making over $250,000 get more tax breaks, we keep our dependence on foreign oil, we do a damn thing to change the healthcare system and the 42 million Americans without it.
You don't think the USA is messed up enough yet? Just wait for McCain.
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So I guess you're going to vote Green Party? Liberterian? I guess that link you have under this post for Obama is just a coincidence?
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08-22-2008, 10:56 AM
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Is that like Bill Clinton voting for NAFTA? Or Hillary being the top senator receiving money from health insurance companies and pharma companies?
Or Bill Clinton putting through an increase for foreign visa workers (i.e. undermining the american worker)? Or Bill Clinton giving China favored nation status?
Yeah, the dems are strong to their base....not. It's no wonder many UAW workers voted for Bush.
What's funny is seeing the bickering back and forth between McCain and Obama supporters.....as if it's UofM vs MSU in football. Both sides are going to give corporations and wealthy ppl what they want. Don't fool yourself. Both candidates are far more similar than disimilar.
Why would you vote for either, unless you were BRAINWASHED into thinking you HAVE NO CHOICE. |
Who said I'm voting for Obama?
And your right.....Clinton really p.o.'d people with NAFTA and few other globalist agenda items...
I haven't made up my mind...right now ...I'm thinking I might vote for Cynthia McKinney 
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08-22-2008, 11:01 AM
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I guess I missed where I said McCain sucks. Excuse me for asking a legitimate question. I have yet to see a McCain supporter tell me why they are voting FOR McCain...not why they aren't voting for Barack.
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For better or worse, this years' election is a referendum on Obama, so it's really irrelevant why people are choosing to vote for McCain. He's an angry old man who inspires exactly no one, has betrayed his own party as if it were his job, and has no loyal voting blocs.
If the Dems were running Evan Bayh, Tim Kaine or  even Hillary, they win this thing in the biggest blowout since Clinton-Dole. Of course, only they could be stupid enough to take a slam dunk election and turn it into a nail biter by nominating an inexperienced ultra-liberal with very questionable affiliations.
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08-22-2008, 11:10 AM
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For better or worse, this years' election is a referendum on Obama, so it's really irrelevant why people are choosing to vote for McCain. He's an angry old man who inspires exactly no one, has betrayed his own party as if it were his job, and has no loyal voting blocs.
If the Dems were running Evan Bayh, Tim Kaine or even Hillary, they win this thing in the biggest blowout since Clinton-Dole. Of course, only they could be stupid enough to take a slam dunk election and turn it into a nail biter by nominating an inexperienced ultra-liberal with very questionable affiliations. |
Your right about everything except the "ultra liberal" part...
In fact that's what scares me about Obama...
He is a hawk...not a liberal...you hear his comments about Pakistan? That's no ultra liberal comment...as a right winger...you probably like those comments though.
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08-22-2008, 11:12 AM
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Your right about everything except the "ultra liberal" part...
In fact that's what scares me about Obama...
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you might want to review Obama's voting record and interest positions...
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08-22-2008, 11:16 AM
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you might want to review Obama's voting record and interest positions...
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Don't have to...the only real item that could be considered ultra-liberal is his stance on Nationwide Health Care...
However, when you have huge companies like Walmart clamoring for it...in order to make these companies more competitive gloabally, it is no longer the huge ultra liberal position it once was....
Too many corporate leaders are behind it now for that...
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08-22-2008, 11:17 AM
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Your right about everything except the "ultra liberal" part...
In fact that's what scares me about Obama...
He is a hawk...not a liberal...you hear his comments about Pakistan? That's no ultra liberal comment...as a right winger...you probably like those comments though.
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It's all campaign rhetoric. He is on the far left of every major issue in this country without exception.
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08-22-2008, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ash-Liz
I can't seem to understand that if people are so disgruntled by the past 8 failed years under the Bush administration, why would they vote for someone who agrees with Bush on over 90% of the issues....
McCain = Bush's 3rd term in my opinion.
So McCain gets elected, the people making over $250,000 get more tax breaks, we keep our dependence on foreign oil, we do a damn thing to change the healthcare system and the 42 million Americans without it.
You don't think the USA is messed up enough yet? Just wait for McCain.
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Nice recap of the talking points.
You may want to read up on taxes, healthcare, and energy policies though. It may help to educate yourself with the fact that McCain actually does have a plan for all of them.
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08-22-2008, 11:20 AM
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Who said I'm voting for Obama?
And your right.....Clinton really p.o.'d people with NAFTA and few other globalist agenda items...
I haven't made up my mind...right now ...I'm thinking I might vote for Cynthia McKinney |
I think her Tupac Memorial is her greatest contribution!
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08-22-2008, 11:21 AM
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It's all campaign rhetoric. He is on the far left of every major issue in this country without exception.
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Don't bother him with having to read his voting record. 
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08-22-2008, 11:23 AM
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BTW...how did you guys hijack this thread into a false "ultra-liberal" anti-Obama diatribe by you blindly loyal Republicans...
WHEN YOUR OWN PARTY HAS TURNED ON YOU AND YOU REFUSE TO ADMIT IT!
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08-22-2008, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Lochgelly
BTW...how did you guys hijack this thread into a false "ultra-liberal" anti-Obama diatribe by you blindly loyal Republicans...
WHEN YOUR OWN PARTY HAS TURNED ON YOU AND YOU REFUSE TO ADMIT IT!
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It's not hard once you read his voting record.
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08-22-2008, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ash-Liz
I can't seem to understand that if people are so disgruntled by the past 8 failed years under the Bush administration, why would they vote for someone who agrees with Bush on over 90% of the issues....
McCain = Bush's 3rd term in my opinion.
So McCain gets elected, the people making over $250,000 get more tax breaks, we keep our dependence on foreign oil, we do a damn thing to change the healthcare system and the 42 million Americans without it.
You don't think the USA is messed up enough yet? Just wait for McCain.
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Who's disgruntled??
People making over 250K get tax breaks? Maybe I'll save enough to hire two more people, and provide more healthcare coverage to their families.
Keep dependence on Foreign oil? What was that whole offshore drilling thing?? Do you honestly think for one second if alternative fuels were a viable option, that someone wouldn't come up with the technology? Patience, my child, those cute little electric cars will be here in your lifetime. Up until this year, it just didn't make economical sense.
Change healthcare? Are you paying for it? I'm already covered under two plans, I'm ok with what we have. To those without, there are dozens of programs to help bail them out, or they could get jobs that have healthcare as an option.
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08-22-2008, 11:34 AM
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It's not hard once you read his voting record.
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Why don't you answer my rhetorical questions then...directly address the issues...
Are you ok with Bush's national debt run up? Are you ok with the Chinese owning your kids future?
Are you ok with the corruption in some of these military contracts? The nepotism?
Are you ok with the government knowing when you fart?
Are you ok with no border control after 71/2 years?
Are you ok with the treatment of the veterans?
tuffy, strange...you too.......answer this with a straight face for a change....
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08-22-2008, 11:37 AM
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BTW...how did you guys hijack this thread into a false "ultra-liberal" anti-Obama diatribe by you blindly loyal Republicans...
WHEN YOUR OWN PARTY HAS TURNED ON YOU AND YOU REFUSE TO ADMIT IT!
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Most conservatives on this board plainly acknowledge that the GOP has betrayed its core principles.
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08-22-2008, 11:41 AM
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you first, Lochgelly.
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08-22-2008, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hans Klopek
Most conservatives on this board plainly acknowledge that the GOP has betrayed its core principles.
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Concur
That straight faced enough?
It doesn't mean I am going to vote for an ultra liberal senator.
By the way, bringing up Bush isn't a good arguement because he isn't running.
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08-22-2008, 11:45 AM
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