Remind me again why people are voting for McCain?

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by Feckweed

Remind me again why people are voting for a cokehead

Well we already put one in the WH for 8years. Why not 2?

[Last Post]

Originally Posted by Lochgelly

Why don't you answer my rhetorical questions then...directly address the issues...

Are you ok with Bush's national debt run up? Are you ok with the Chinese owning your kids future?

Are you ok with the corruption in some of these military contracts? The nepotism?

Are you ok with the government knowing when you fart?

Are you ok with no border control after 71/2 years?

Are you ok with the treatment of the veterans?

tuffy, strange...you too.......answer this with a straight face for a change....

LOL!

So who are you voting for that will change this? What did Clinton do for the veterans? Didn't Obama vote for the Fisa legislation?

You may as well ask:

Are you ok with having a defense department?


If you have a viable candidate that is going to change anything you addressed, who is he/she?

[Lochgelly]

what am I?

[spacemaker2]

Ash, the problem with your arguement is it is there $$ in the first place that they earned. What happens is people that make $$ will take the profits off shore if the taxes get to high. If I can do someone making real $$ can. It is not the governments money it is ours.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by spacemaker2

. It is not the governments money it is ours.

you're so naive - it's cute.

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

Well we already put one in the WH for 8years. Why not 2?

Problem is there's no proof that Bush did blow...now Obama, he's on record bragging about it

[tjmania]

Originally Posted by spacemaker2

It is not the governments money it is ours.

Just like you own that piece of land your house sits on.

Sorry McCain and Obama voters taxes are going up. Deal

[Ybob]

Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

McCain doesn't even know why he's running for president, other than to be president. If he can't come up with a reason to run, don't expect the Wells Hall Republicans to come up with a reason to vote for him.

This is why Wells is a worthless board.

How can this guy be serious? Really?

[WixomSpartan]

Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

He's never used the phrase "kumbaya foreign policy". In fact, he called for action in Pakistan and a troop increase in Afghanistan.

Warmonger?

Aren't 'action' and 'troop increase' just euphemisms for war?

[WixomSpartan]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

You do realize about three quarters of Americans intensely dislike the guy.

And that's relevant because...?

[McflyMSU]

Originally Posted by Ash-Liz

I can't seem to understand that if people are so disgruntled by the past 8 failed years under the Bush administration, why would they vote for someone who agrees with Bush on over 90% of the issues....

McCain = Bush's 3rd term in my opinion.

So McCain gets elected, the people making over $250,000 get more tax breaks, we keep our dependence on foreign oil, we do a damn thing to change the healthcare system and the 42 million Americans without it.

You don't think the USA is messed up enough yet? Just wait for McCain.

Here's why:

1) American is still very racist- Sure everyone hates George Bush, but they would take more war and continued recession over voting for a black man.

2) The democractic party is totally inept- This election was theirs to lose and it looks like they are going to **** it up. Obama's campain isn't helping things either. FOR GOD SAKES, CALL MCBUSH OUT FOR THE LIES HE'S SPREADING! They are letting Karl Rove win again.

3) Most Americans are ignorant- People who actually reserach and decide issues for themselves are in the minority. Most people just take what Fox News and the conservative media tell them to believe.

Better get used to calling McBush "Mr. President". The few independants on the fence with McBush are going to be very comfortable with Romney on the ticket.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by McflyMSU

1) American is still very racist- Sure everyone hates George Bush, but they would take more war and continued recession over voting for a black man.

I think I have a bit of an issue with this one. That's not to say it's wrong - I imagine that is true for a significant percentage of America and I find it incredibly distasteful.

At the same time, however, there are perfectly valid reasons to dislike Obama. I'm not saying I agree with them, but they exist. I mean, you just said "everyone... would take more war and continued recession over voting for a black man." You overdid it with that. Hell, I guarantee if Alan Keyes had somehow gotten the Republican nomination I'd be a locked up vote for the Democratic candidate if it were Edwards, Biden, even Clinton. It's not that I'd vote Democrat because of racism, I'd vote democrat because I think Keyes is bat**** crazy. To some people, the idea of upping the take from those making over a quarter million a year, of reaching out to other nations, of making a big push on alternative energy, just doesn't jive with their sense of how the world is or should be.

[SBSpartan]

Originally Posted by spacemaker2

Ash, the problem with your arguement is it is there $$ in the first place that they earned. What happens is people that make $$ will take the profits off shore if the taxes get to high. If I can do someone making real $$ can. It is not the governments money it is ours.

If I can do someone making real money I would be a prostitute.

[SBSpartan]

Originally Posted by Ybob

This is why Wells is a worthless board.

How can this guy be serious? Really?

No, this is exactly why Wells is fantastic. People really believe the crap the write.

[McflyMSU]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

I think I have a bit of an issue with this one. That's not to say it's wrong - I imagine that is true for a significant percentage of America and I find it incredibly distasteful.

At the same time, however, there are perfectly valid reasons to dislike Obama. I'm not saying I agree with them, but they exist. I mean, you just said "everyone... would take more war and continued recession over voting for a black man." You overdid it with that. Hell, I guarantee if Alan Keyes had somehow gotten the Republican nomination I'd be a locked up vote for the Democratic candidate if it were Edwards, Biden, even Clinton. It's not that I'd vote Democrat because of racism, I'd vote democrat because I think Keyes is bat**** crazy. To some people, the idea of upping the take from those making over a quarter million a year, of reaching out to other nations, of making a big push on alternative energy, just doesn't jive with their sense of how the world is or should be.

Ok, that was a poor choice of words on my part. I guess what I should have stated is that there is enough of a segment of the popluation that would have voted democrat in this election (due to GWB creating the mess he did), but will not because they refuse to vote for a black man. I didn't mean to incinuate that I think everyone who votes for McCain = racist. I'm just getting very frustrated with the democrats because it really seems like they are going to eff this one up just like 2004.

[Hans Klopek]

Originally Posted by McflyMSU

Ok, that was a poor choice of words on my part. I guess what I should have stated is that there is enough of a segment of the popluation that would have voted democrat in this election (due to GWB creating the mess he did), but will not because they refuse to vote for a black man. I didn't mean to incinuate that I think everyone who votes for McCain = racist. I'm just getting very frustrated with the democrats because it really seems like they are going to eff this one up just like 2004.

Watch the returns from Macomb country on Nov. 4th....nothing will validate your point quite like that.

[Mark the Bagger]

Originally Posted by McflyMSU

Here's why:

1) American is still very racist- Sure everyone hates George Bush, but they would take more war and continued recession over voting for a black man.

2) The democractic party is totally inept- This election was theirs to lose and it looks like they are going to **** it up. Obama's campain isn't helping things either. FOR GOD SAKES, CALL MCBUSH OUT FOR THE LIES HE'S SPREADING! They are letting Karl Rove win again.

3) Most Americans are ignorant- People who actually reserach and decide issues for themselves are in the minority. Most people just take what Fox News and the conservative media tell them to believe.

Better get used to calling McBush "Mr. President". The few independants on the fence with McBush are going to be very comfortable with Romney on the ticket.

The conservative media that contributes more money to Democrats than to Republicans at a 100 to 1 ratio?

The reasons I'm voting for McCain:

1) I believe he is better for national security. Remain on the offensive.

2) I believe he is better for the economy. Businesses large and small cannot evolve and grow with the heavy hand of government limiting them. Lower taxes for families, yes even those who earn $250,000 and more, is better for the economy. Jobs are created.

3) Energy. Will drilling now greatly lower gas prices in the immdiate future? No. Will it assist the US in ending our dependency on foreign oil? Yes. If off-shore drilling would have been approved 10 years ago, we'd be in a much better position right now. Let's not be so short-sighted and think there is an instant fix. Act now, in an environmentally friendly way, so that we're not in the same place in 10 years.

4) When comparing Obama and McCain, I am comfortable with McCain's track record. There is substance. I like that I know what he stands for, and I like being able to see a record. Obama legislated as a US Senator for just over 2 years and the rest of the time he has been running for president. He is not a 1-term Senator. He is a 1/3-1/2 term Senator. Experience is necessary.

I work with Republicans and Democrats here in DC and the Democrats I meet who are very excited about Obama are very few and far between. Huge, life-long, connected Democrats that are not confident in him. Am I excited about McCain? Not extremely. But to me, he's the best candidate by far.

[McflyMSU]

Originally Posted by Raftery

The conservative media that contributes more money to Democrats than to Republicans at a 100 to 1 ratio?

The reasons I'm voting for McCain:

1) I believe he is better for national security. Remain on the offensive.

2) I believe he is better for the economy. Businesses large and small cannot evolve and grow with the heavy hand of government limiting them. Lower taxes for families, yes even those who earn $250,000 and more, is better for the economy. Jobs are created.

3) Energy. Will drilling now greatly lower gas prices in the immdiate future? No. Will it assist the US in ending our dependency on foreign oil? Yes. If off-shore drilling would have been approved 10 years ago, we'd be in a much better position right now. Let's not be so short-sighted and think there is an instant fix. Act now, in an environmentally friendly way, so that we're not in the same place in 10 years.

4) When comparing Obama and McCain, I am comfortable with McCain's track record. There is substance. I like that I know what he stands for, and I like being able to see a record. Obama legislated as a US Senator for just over 2 years and the rest of the time he has been running for president. He is not a 1-term Senator. He is a 1/3-1/2 term Senator. Experience is necessary.

I work with Republicans and Democrats here in DC and the Democrats I meet who are very excited about Obama are very few and far between. Huge, life-long, connected Democrats that are not confident in him. Am I excited about McCain? Not extremely. But to me, he's the best candidate by far.

If McCain was the 2000 McCain then I wouldn't have as much of a problem with him, but he has flip flopped all of his positions to fit in with the Bush administration Neo-Conservative mold. Here's why McCain scares me:

1) Remaining on the offensive- Sounds great on paper, but where are we going to get the money and manpower to wage war on several different fronts? I think going further and further into debt with nations such as China threatents our national security even more.

2) Giving huge coporations tax breaks. I'd have less of a problem with giving huge corporations tax breaks if the gov't didn't rush in to bail them out when they screw up. Made too many risky loans to sustain your business? Too bad, next time you'll think twice before giving someone who makes 30k/year a 700k loan. Under the current system, the haves are getting richer, but the have-nots are getting poorer. Give tax breaks to those that need it most, which tends to be those that make less than 500k/year. Small business should get the greatest breaks so long as they employ American workers.

3) Why not make the push towards alternative energy now? I think McCain is too damn old to realize what is out there. Wouldn't it boost national security to stop buying oil from nations who produce terrorists anyway? The technology is there, just needs to be refined. If McCain wants to open up drilling fine, but make the companies that drill our oil sell it to us and set standards in place so that we can greatly reduce our need for oil in the distant future. Drilling now and having no long term plan is just going to put us back in the same place 20 years from now.

4) Yes McCain has a track record, but his record of old doesn't speak to his agenda now. McCain is just another puppet like GWB for the neo-conservative movement. These old bastards want the cold war days back again and they will get their wish if McCain is president. Sure, I didn't think Obama was the best choice for the dems to run, but he scares me a hell of alot less than McCain. I don't think this country can take 4 more years of neo-conservative reckless spending and war mongering.

[Mark the Bagger]

Originally Posted by McflyMSU

If McCain was the 2000 McCain then I wouldn't have as much of a problem with him, but he has flip flopped all of his positions to fit in with the Bush administration Neo-Conservative mold. Here's why McCain scares me:

1) Remaining on the offensive- Sounds great on paper, but where are we going to get the money and manpower to wage war on several different fronts? I think going further and further into debt with nations such as China threatents our national security even more.

2) Giving huge coporations tax breaks. I'd have less of a problem with giving huge corporations tax breaks if the gov't didn't rush in to bail them out when they screw up. Made too many risky loans to sustain your business? Too bad, next time you'll think twice before giving someone who makes 30k/year a 700k loan. Under the current system, the haves are getting richer, but the have-nots are getting poorer. Give tax breaks to those that need it most, which tends to be those that make less than 500k/year. Small business should get the greatest breaks so long as they employ American workers.

3) Why not make the push towards alternative energy now? I think McCain is too damn old to realize what is out there. Wouldn't it boost national security to stop buying oil from nations who produce terrorists anyway? The technology is there, just needs to be refined. If McCain wants to open up drilling fine, but make the companies that drill our oil sell it to us and set standards in place so that we can greatly reduce our need for oil in the distant future. Drilling now and having no long term plan is just going to put us back in the same place 20 years from now.

4) Yes McCain has a track record, but his record of old doesn't speak to his agenda now. McCain is just another puppet like GWB for the neo-conservative movement. These old bastards want the cold war days back again and they will get their wish if McCain is president. Sure, I didn't think Obama was the best choice for the dems to run, but he scares me a hell of alot less than McCain. I don't think this country can take 4 more years of neo-conservative reckless spending and war mongering.

Let me clarify my point #1. Remaining on the offensive militarily speaking is a must in regards to terrorists. When it comes to other sovereign states, it's clearly more difficult in regards to diplomacy/military. However, I am of the opinion that our president must be extremely strong with the leaders of these 'problem' countries; we need to realize that they are not going to simply change their ways if we sit down and talk nicely. I personally have much more confidence in McCain in all areas of foreign relations.

Clearly we disagree on things and won't change each other's mind but hey, at least we both have our opinions and can do better than "X sucks so I'm voting for Y."

[Hans Klopek]

Originally Posted by Raftery

The conservative media that contributes more money to Democrats than to Republicans at a 100 to 1 ratio?

The reasons I'm voting for McCain:

1) I believe he is better for national security. Remain on the offensive.

2) I believe he is better for the economy. Businesses large and small cannot evolve and grow with the heavy hand of government limiting them. Lower taxes for families, yes even those who earn $250,000 and more, is better for the economy. Jobs are created.

3) Energy. Will drilling now greatly lower gas prices in the immdiate future? No. Will it assist the US in ending our dependency on foreign oil? Yes. If off-shore drilling would have been approved 10 years ago, we'd be in a much better position right now. Let's not be so short-sighted and think there is an instant fix. Act now, in an environmentally friendly way, so that we're not in the same place in 10 years.

4) When comparing Obama and McCain, I am comfortable with McCain's track record. There is substance. I like that I know what he stands for, and I like being able to see a record. Obama legislated as a US Senator for just over 2 years and the rest of the time he has been running for president. He is not a 1-term Senator. He is a 1/3-1/2 term Senator. Experience is necessary.

I work with Republicans and Democrats here in DC and the Democrats I meet who are very excited about Obama are very few and far between. Huge, life-long, connected Democrats that are not confident in him. Am I excited about McCain? Not extremely. But to me, he's the best candidate by far.

Solid post.


With the kiss!!!!!!

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

McCain doesn't even know why he's running for president, other than to be president. If he can't come up with a reason to run, don't expect the Wells Hall Republicans to come up with a reason to vote for him.

Originally Posted by Ybob

This is why Wells is a worthless board.

How can this guy be serious? Really?