Disappointed in Obama

[LA_Spartan]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

Who did you want?

I like Bayh, Kaine and Richardson.

Obama should have used the Clinton '92 playbook and gone with a candidate like himself, young, energetic, etc. I would have gone with Bayh or Kaine or, if he had a lot of balls, Sebelius.

Originally Posted by ConQueso™

I liked Bill Richardson for the spot...i hope he's got a position in the administration.

I really like Richardson, but I'm guessing that he didn't want it for some reason, because he never seemed to be on the short list. I'm sure he'll end up in the Cabinet.

[ConQueso™]

Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

I really like Richardson, but I'm guessing that he didn't want it for some reason, because he never seemed to be on the short list. I'm sure he'll end up in the Cabinet.

I think Biden was on TV saying that he didn't want to be considered...i never heard any sort of declaration from Richardson.

but, yeah...i like him a lot. i think he's a swell guy.

[Ignignokt]

Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

Obama should have used the Clinton '92 playbook and gone with a candidate like himself, young, energetic, etc. I would have gone with Bayh or Kaine or, if he had a lot of balls, Sebelius.



I really like Richardson, but I'm guessing that he didn't want it for some reason, because he never seemed to be on the short list. I'm sure he'll end up in the Cabinet.

I'm not with you here. Biden is very energetic even though he is an old white dude. He was my #2 choice among the Dems that ran for prez. I never got why he didn't get more traction, but at least he got it where it counted.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by ConQueso™

Bayh and Kaine were terrible choices in my opinion. I think that going with Biden over them is a good choice. I'm not thrilled with the selection overall because i think that if you are going for change you don't really want to pick someone that has been part of the system since the 1970's.

I don't think this really changes much though...people don't vote for VP...and i think that Biden will roll up anyone in the debates...as long as he doesn't talk too much and get himself into trouble as he's been known to do.

I liked Bill Richardson for the spot...i hope he's got a position in the administration.

I still don't see how McCain could win this thing. the only thing that's beating Obama right now is all the scrutiny on his campaign while there has been none on McCain.

Good comments. I'd emphasize that it's Obama's responsibility to lead change. I hope, as he's implied, that that change starts with serious moves toward improving governance and increasing citizen participation. Obama gets to choose the role that Biden plays, which I'm certain has been negotiated, and Biden knowledge, experience, and diplomatic skills are critical assets to achieving change ... this aside from him being a solid presence at the table re: international and domestic issues/policy.

[DeHannen]

Originally Posted by ConQueso™

I liked Bill Richardson for the spot...i hope he's got a position in the administration.

Richardson should have gotten the nod, a likable man (outside of the Clinton Family Room), is one of the least partisan DEMS out there, had a link to the Hispanic vote, and despite his service in the Clinton Administration would have maintained an outsiders view because of his roll as NM governor.

His name was quiet the last couple of days, I thought he was a shoo-in.

[LA_Spartan]

Originally Posted by ConQueso™

I think Biden was on TV saying that he didn't want to be considered...i never heard any sort of declaration from Richardson.

but, yeah...i like him a lot. i think he's a swell guy.

I never heard anything from Richardson either. However, on paper, he was a near-perfect choice and his endorsement as a Clinton insiders was huge. Therefore, since they never seemed to talk about him, I assume he told Obama that he wasn't interested.

Originally Posted by Ignignokt

I'm not with you here. Biden is very energetic even though he is an old white dude. He was my #2 choice among the Dems that ran for prez. I never got why he didn't get more traction, but at least he got it where it counted.

But Biden is a consummate insider. By picking a Governor, Obama can take the position that "we're coming to Washington to shake thinks up" (yes, I know he's currently in the Senate, but so was Gore and that didn't stop the Clinton/Gore campaign from taking an outside POV).

Obama is about change. There is nothing about Biden that says "Change"

[ConQueso™]

Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

But Biden is a consummate insider. By picking a Governor, Obama can take the position that "we're coming to Washington to shake thinks up" (yes, I know he's currently in the Senate, but so was Gore and that didn't stop the Clinton/Gore campaign from taking an outside POV).

Obama is about change. There is nothing about Biden that says "Change"

I think that Biden was probably chosen just to shore up the whole foreign intelligence part of the ticket's resume. I'm fairly sure that Obama has the whole "change" candidate thing locked up and Biden isn't really going to stop that.

I'm just sort of "meh" on this...it's not like it changes my opinion on the matter...but, i don't think it'll change many opinions anyway.

[LA_Spartan]

Originally Posted by ConQueso™

I think that Biden was probably chosen just to shore up the whole foreign intelligence part of the ticket's resume. I'm fairly sure that Obama has the whole "change" candidate thing locked up and Biden isn't really going to stop that.

That's why Biden is the safe pick...and why he bother me so much. I don't want Obama to be safe. I want him to be a leader. He won the primary by becoming the pied piper. Now he's running his campaign like John Kerry.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

That's why Biden is the safe pick...and why he bother me so much. I don't want Obama to be safe. I want him to be a leader. He won the primary by becoming the pied piper. Now he's running his campaign like John Kerry.

I'm pretty sure that Obama would like to win and he feels that a safe old white guy probably gives some voters enough confidence to vote for the risky young black guy.

[Dr. Strangelove]

BTW: I'm about this close to merging all the Obama picks Biden threads into one big ass tOfficial thread.

[Todd Farkman]

Originally Posted by #1

Biden was an excellent choice, I don't feel like he "settled."

What are you, like 23? 25? Do you remember when Biden ran for president about 20 years ago? He looked like an idiot and dropped out of the race.

Unfotruntely youtube and the internets don't have any of that, but I'm sure it will be dragged up. Not to mention his recent videos talking about Indians.

He's a clown. The only reason you don't know that is that you are too young...

[Todd Farkman]

Originally Posted by Ignignokt

I'm not with you here. Biden is very energetic even though he is an old white dude. He was my #2 choice among the Dems that ran for prez. I never got why he didn't get more traction, but at least he got it where it counted.

again, Biden has a history that a 20 year old wouldn't know about.

He's a fool. You just don't know him well enough.

[New User]

Originally Posted by Todd Farkman

What are you, like 23? 25? Do you remember when Biden ran for president about 20 years ago? He looked like an idiot and dropped out of the race.

Unfotruntely youtube and the internets don't have any of that, but I'm sure it will be dragged up. Not to mention his recent videos talking about Indians.

He's a clown. The only reason you don't know that is that you are too young...

There is no reasoning with the obamamanicas. Obamazombies.

[ConQueso™]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

BTW: I'm about this close to merging all the Obama picks Biden threads into one big ass tOfficial thread.

Why? it's not like there's a ton of other **** going on and we need the space on the front page.

[Todd Farkman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

I'm pretty sure that Obama would like to win and he feels that a safe old white guy probably gives some voters enough confidence to vote for the risky young black guy.

but if the idea is to give ppl an old veteran established white guy to vote for on the dem ticket.....why wouldn't you vote for McCain instead?

It's like Coke changing to New Coke.

I agree with LA, Obama should have picked someone similar to him. Gore matched up well with Clinton. And Gore was a quiet guy that made Clinton look like a leader. Biden is going to make Obama look foolish.

[ConQueso™]

Originally Posted by Todd Farkman

but if the idea is to give ppl an old veteran established white guy to vote for on the dem ticket.....why wouldn't you vote for McCain instead?

It's like Coke changing to New Coke.

I agree with LA, Obama should have picked someone similar to him. Gore matched up well with Clinton. And Gore was a quiet guy that made Clinton look like a leader. Biden is going to make Obama look foolish.

That remains to be seen. I'll be interested in what role Biden is going to play in this campaign and administration.

it's still Obama's race to lose.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by ConQueso™

Why? it's not like there's a ton of other **** going on and we need the space on the front page.

Because I'm cranky this morning.



Anyway, I'm gonna go cut the grass - have fun kids.

[ConQueso™]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

Because I'm cranky this morning.



Anyway, I'm gonna go cut the grass - have fun kids.

Good idea.

[oscar novak]

What was already the weakest field of candidates just got weaker. Three freaking US Senators? There is a reason no Senator since Kennedy has been elected President. The longer you spend in the Senate, the more bad ideas you've placed in the public domain and the more corruption you've added to your life. Joe Biden is a lightweight with baggage and it is telling the Obama, again, lacks the solid judgement necessary to be a successful president. Yikes. No winners in this race. What a drag.

[New User]

Originally Posted by oscar novak

What was already the weakest field of candidates just got weaker. Three freaking US Senators? There is a reason no Senator since Kennedy has been elected President. The longer you spend in the Senate, the more bad ideas you've placed in the public domain and the more corruption you've added to your life. Joe Biden is a lightweight with baggage and it is telling the Obama, again, lacks the solid judgement necessary to be a successful president. Yikes. No winners in this race. What a drag.

Hope and change, change we can believe in.

[ConQueso™]

Originally Posted by oscar novak

What was already the weakest field of candidates just got weaker. Three freaking US Senators? There is a reason no Senator since Kennedy has been elected President. The longer you spend in the Senate, the more bad ideas you've placed in the public domain and the more corruption you've added to your life. Joe Biden is a lightweight with baggage and it is telling the Obama, again, lacks the solid judgement necessary to be a successful president. Yikes. No winners in this race. What a drag.

Um...i don't follow your reasoning. in many cases a senator hasn't gotten it because of the fact that they tend to have a long record of votes that are used against them. This time that won't happen because it's two senators...which has never happened.

I don't see how this shows Obama lacks solid judgment...he's just picked up someone that is one of the foremost authorities on foreign affairs in the country. I don't find Biden to be all that inspiring of a choice, but he's very intelligent and knowledgeable.

Let's see who McCain picks...and if it's Romney...well, i think Obama will have won that round.

[oscar novak]

Originally Posted by ConQueso™

Um...i don't follow your reasoning. in many cases a senator hasn't gotten it because of the fact that they tend to have a long record of votes that are used against them. T