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Negotiator · 08-23-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Farkman

I'm just waiting for Biden's response to the McCain ads. I think the McCain group knows if they prod Biden enough he's going to do or say something stupid.

Sounds like John L Smith or Rich Rodriguez.

LA_Spartan · 08-23-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ConQueso™

I'll be interested in what role Biden is going to play in this campaign and administration.

Biden's role in the campaign:
1. Old white guy for poster
2. Move to Florida for a few months and reassure the old Jews that Obama won't let Israel get pushed into the Red Sea.

Biden's role in the administration:
1. Spend his time wondering why he gave up the Chair of Foreign Relations.

Todd Farkman · 08-23-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Negotiator

Sounds like John L Smith or Rich Rodriguez.

Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence - Yahoo! News

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And he talks too much.

On the same day he announced his second bid for the presidency, Biden found himself explaining why he had described Obama as "clean."

And there's the 2007 ABC interview in which Biden said he would stand by an earlier statement that Obama was not ready to serve as president.

It seems Obama is worried that some voters are starting to agree.

hmmmm, "clean"?

oscar novak · 08-23-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack78

Thanks, Jack. Nice to have his stupid half-baked "plan" right there in plain sight along with evidence of his total misunderstanding of Petraeus' COIN strategy.

This election should not be close. This election is the greatest opportunity for the Democrats to stroll unobstructed into the White House since Tricky Dick. Yet somehow the Dems have effed up this golden opportunity to the point that McCain, a terribly weak candidate, actually has a chance to win. Biden was a terrible choice and he very much weakens the ticket.

Obama was running a masterful campaign in the early days but I guess his total lack of experience in, well, anything, had to surface at some point. It just isn't smart to nominate a guy (Obama) who has never run in a truly competitive election. I almost think Hillary would have been a better choice at this point.

On another note...from a sheer entertainment value standpoint, I love that Biden is on the ticket. Seriously, he may be THE biggest clown in the Senate. The McCain camp has had some pretty funny ads but ol' Joe will provide the best material yet.

Todd Farkman · 08-23-2008, 01:11 PM

Wow, I didn't even know about this "clean and articulate" comment by Biden. OMFG, that is hilarious.

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Throw that in with the Indian comment...jeez. lol.

Negotiator · 08-23-2008, 01:14 PM

Do campaigns have guys that look through the video archives for potential sound bites and attack ads as part of the vetting process? As more and more media gets retained in the digital age, it would seem liabilities like that would weigh more heavily.

Todd Farkman · 08-23-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Negotiator

Do campaigns have guys that look through the video archives for potential sound bites and attack ads as part of the vetting process? As more and more media gets retained in the digital age, it would seem liabilities like that would weigh more heavily.

a lot of the stuff is public knowledge, so if you're in politics you prolly remember those blunders.

tuff bob · 08-23-2008, 01:23 PM

Anyone know why Richardson wasn't considered? He would certainly appeal more to "right lean" independents than a Biden.

oscar novak · 08-23-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Negotiator

Do campaigns have guys that look through the video archives for potential sound bites and attack ads as part of the vetting process? As more and more media gets retained in the digital age, it would seem liabilities like that would weigh more heavily.

You would think so. The more I think about this, the more amazed I am. In addition to all of the things he said about Obama when he was himself running for Prez, he was also one of the guys that the Dems have trotted out in front of the TV cameras to make stupid attacks on Republicans when their position was unpopular because he has rarely had a strong challenge to his office. This guy has had more face time on Sunday morning political shows than anyone...it will haunt them through the election. On the other hand, I guess the Master of Judgement decided he really needed to lock down those three electoral votes from Delaware. Nice move.

Barney_Greengrass · 08-23-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

I never heard anything from Richardson either. However, on paper, he was a near-perfect choice and his endorsement as a Clinton insiders was huge. Therefore, since they never seemed to talk about him, I assume he told Obama that he wasn't interested.

But Biden is a consummate insider. By picking a Governor, Obama can take the position that "we're coming to Washington to shake thinks up" (yes, I know he's currently in the Senate, but so was Gore and that didn't stop the Clinton/Gore campaign from taking an outside POV).

Obama is about change. There is nothing about Biden that says "Change"

So fill us all in on at least 5 significant or major changes Obama has brought to the people of Illinois and Chicago during his service in public life? And writing a BS autobiography doesnt count. TIA

Todd Farkman · 08-23-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

I never heard anything from Richardson either. However, on paper, he was a near-perfect choice and his endorsement as a Clinton insiders was huge. Therefore, since they never seemed to talk about him, I assume he told Obama that he wasn't interested.

I think Richardson would have been a disaster.

Maybe before he got the goatee and became all "La Raza" on us, he may have been a good candidate.

But if you think a black candidate alienates some white ppl, try including the latino faction like in the above picture. You look at that photo and it screams a message many white folks don't want to hear.

LA_Spartan · 08-23-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by oscar novak

he was also one of the guys that the Dems have trotted out in front of the TV cameras to make stupid attacks on Republicans when their position was unpopular because he has rarely had a strong challenge to his office. This guy has had more face time on Sunday morning political shows than anyone.

Right, because Howard Dean decides who goes on Meet the Press.

How 'bout the fact that he was chair of Judiciary during the Clarence Thomas hearings and is now chair of Foreign Relations? Maybe that's the reason he's in front of the cameras so much?

LA_Spartan · 08-23-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Farkman

Maybe before he got the goatee and became all "La Raza" on us, he may have been a good candidate.

I think the beard was sort of his "I'm not going to be the guy" move. Similar to Gore's beard post-loss.

Foxbat · 08-23-2008, 01:50 PM

I like Biden! Finally someone who's not a total puss. I didn't think Obama would have the balls to pick someone like Biden!

Dr. Strangelove · 08-23-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

I think the beard was sort of his "I'm not going to be the guy" move. Similar to Gore's beard post-loss.

It's going to be hard enough for a black man to win. There was no way that a black guy and a Latino on the same ticket would win.

oscar novak · 08-23-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

Right, because Howard Dean decides who goes on Meet the Press.

How 'bout the fact that he was chair of Judiciary during the Clarence Thomas hearings and is now chair of Foreign Relations? Maybe that's the reason he's in front of the cameras so much?

Of course not...and who would even suggest that? Not I. Look, both parties do it. It makes sense. For example, you will never see someone with a tough election coming up making the counter-statement to the President's State of the Union address. I made no reference to the DNC, why did you?

GRR Spartan · 08-23-2008, 02:12 PM

Like Oscar, Barney schtick and Doc Strange were ever considering Obama in the first place.

LA_Spartan · 08-23-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by oscar novak

Of course not...and who would even suggest that? Not I. Look, both parties do it. It makes sense. For example, you will never see someone with a tough election coming up making the counter-statement to the President's State of the Union address. I made no reference to the DNC, why did you?

Obviously, the parties select who is going to give the counter to the State of the Union (just as the American people select the person who will give the State of the Union

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But I think the producers of the Sunday morning talk shows are more worried about ratings than who the parties want to put on.

WavSpartan · 08-23-2008, 02:25 PM

There are a lot of rumors about Richardson in Washington. Let's just say that.

WavSpartan · 08-23-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat

I like Biden! Finally someone who's not a total puss. I didn't think Obama would have the balls to pick someone like Biden!

Me too. I like the pick and I think it'll definitely make the election more watchable. McCain and Obama are both stiff. Biden is the anti-stiff.

LA_Spartan · 08-23-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WavSpartan

There are a lot of rumors about Richardson in Washington. Let's just say that.

Are you saying that his wife is also a beard?

LA_Spartan · 08-23-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barney_Greengrass

So fill us all in on at least 5 significant or major changes Obama has brought to the people of Illinois and Chicago during his service in public life? And writing a BS autobiography doesnt count. TIA

Not to hijack a thread about Obama's VP pick, but didn't I once ask you to list 5 significant changes McCain brought to the people of Illinois during his 26 years in Washington? Have you found 5 yet?

nricklee · 08-23-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dwags

He didn't settle, but we did.

hehehe .............................lol

Barney_Greengrass · 08-23-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

Like Oscar, Barney schtick and Doc Strange were ever considering Obama in the first place.

You know why I wouldnt vote for him? Cause Ive met him twice (pics to prove it), and have lived in Illinois for 10 years watching his career, or lack therof. Were you around during the Obama v. Rush campaign? I doubt it.

Barack is part of the problem, not the solution. Do you really want a more bloated, ineffcient, non-responsive, and arrogant government? A patronage system so corrupt even Federal Prosecutors cant unravel it? Highest sales tax in the country? And when you question local political "leaders", you know their response? F.U. Ask Brendan Reilly.