Iraqi government pretty much a total failure to date... - SpartanTailgate.com

MSU '73 · 08-24-2008, 02:28 AM

1. No Oil Agreement and not even close to finalizing one.

2. Provincial elections scheduled for October 1 are likely to be postponed until 2009.

3. Kirkuk.

4. Sunni's are being left out of participating in the Iraqi military and police forces, except in token numbers.

Not a single major issue has been successfully dealt with by the Iraqi government since they were elected. Nor are the prospects very bright that this is going to change in the foreseable future.

Folks, things are not clearing up in Iraq. In fact, some new storm clouds are beginning to gather.

If the Shia continue to successfully consolidate their power, it is worse for U.S. interests (and the Sunni). It is the Sunni in Iraq that would be our strongest ally, not the Shia, as I have pointed out since 2003-4.

Of course, few Americans actually have a clue about this, as usual.

ErnieMcCracken · 08-24-2008, 02:29 AM

I thought the surge worked and we won the war? Then again I thought major combat operations ended years ago.

New User · 08-24-2008, 02:30 AM

It was a country that was ravaged by war and a dictator. They never had freedom before.

ErnieMcCracken · 08-24-2008, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkness

It was a country that was ravaged by war and a dictator. They never had freedom before.

Is that the best you got?

Final Countdown · 08-24-2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

Is that the best you got?

not an excuse for the clusterf--- that is the iraqi gov't... but you have to understand the historical context behind arab gov'ts. in no arabic country are the people used to having a major role in government. you can't undo hundreds of years of this sort of crap with a single brief invasion. it will always be like that.

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MSU '73 · 08-24-2008, 02:41 AM

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It was a country that was ravaged by war and a dictator. They never had freedom before.

Gee, but 70% of them voted in their election!!!!

And I told you righty morons at that time, when you were all crowing about it, that the turnout had virtually no bearing on the ultimate success of the Iraqi government.

New User · 08-24-2008, 02:45 AM

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Gee, but 70% of them voted in their election!!!!

And I told you righty morons at that time, when you were all crowing about it, that the turnout had virtually no bearing on the ultimate success of the Iraqi government.

Thats great of you to cheer when a country is struggling. It shows what kind of character you have. Talk about the ugly american. Accept defeat and turn tail when things get difficult don't you.

MSU '73 · 08-24-2008, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Final Countdown

not an excuse for the clusterf--- that is the iraqi gov't... but you have to understand the historical context behind arab gov'ts. in no arabic country are the people used to having a major role in government. you can't undo hundreds of years of this sort of crap with a single brief invasion. it will always be like that.

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And it should have been completely understood by the "experts" in the bush administration, bud.

But those worthless, lying SOB's sold the ignorant American public on the absurdity that Iraq, with an ethnic population of Sunni, Shia and Kurds, who have hated each other for CENTURIES, was going to come together for a big Kumbaya democratic government when we toppled Saddam Hussein. The fact that the Shia alone were 60% of the Iraq population meant that a democratic government could be dominated by the Shia quite easily, at the expense of the Sunni and Kurds, which is now beginning to take place and should not suprise anyone.

What a crock of **** they sold the ignorant American public.

MSU '73 · 08-24-2008, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkness

Thats great of you to cheer when a country is struggling. It shows what kind of character you have. Talk about the ugly american. Accept defeat and turn tail when things get difficult don't you.

And people like you are the IGNORANT Americans, bud. An absolute fact.

I understood exactly what was going to happen with Iraq and have the track record to prove it.

You, on the other had, have remained totally clueless and ignorant about Iraq, right to this moment.

ErnieMcCracken · 08-24-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkness

Thats great of you to cheer when a country is struggling. It shows what kind of character you have. Talk about the ugly american. Accept defeat and turn tail when things get difficult don't you.

Way to bring it strong with no substance.

New User · 08-24-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Final Countdown

not an excuse for the clusterf--- that is the iraqi gov't... but you have to understand the historical context behind arab gov'ts. in no arabic country are the people used to having a major role in government. you can't undo hundreds of years of this sort of crap with a single brief invasion. it will always be like that.

Rentier state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess some posters here expect things to be nice fast and clean, like of like an american idol episode. The problem is that people there don't know anything else, ever. They are use to getting ruled, and the sense of corruption is hard to end.

MSU '73 · 08-24-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkness

I guess some posters here expect things to be nice fast and clean, like of like an american idol episode. The problem is that people there don't know anything else, ever. They are use to getting ruled, and the sense of corruption is hard to end.

Actually, it was people like myself who were telling ignorant people like you that Iraq was going to be a major problem, while you were thinking it was "Mission Accomplished" when Bush told you so in May of 2003.

It was all you IGNORANT righties who did not have a CLUE about Iraq, bud.

And that has been proven time and time and time again on this board.

Buy a clue, bud.

greenjoker · 08-24-2008, 09:58 AM

If it were divided into 3 parts when we took out Saddam everything would be almost back to normal by now except that Bush's contractors might not be doing as well for as long.

Bullwrinkle · 08-24-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MSU '73

Actually, it was people like myself who were telling ignorant people like you that Iraq was going to be a major problem, while you were thinking it was "Mission Accomplished" when Bush told you so in May of 2003.

It was all you IGNORANT righties who did not have a CLUE about Iraq, bud.

And that has been proven time and time and time again on this board.

Buy a clue, bud.

As the dreaded CAPSLOCK creep back while the slobber drips onto his keyboard.

AbbottHallAbsyntheDrinker · 08-24-2008, 11:09 AM

The fact that the Iraqi government has to answer to a gang of anti-government criminal puppet masters may have something to do with that.

tjmania · 08-24-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Final Countdown

not an excuse for the clusterf--- that is the iraqi gov't... but you have to understand the historical context behind arab gov'ts. in no arabic country are the people used to having a major role in government. you can't undo hundreds of years of this sort of crap with a single brief invasion. it will always be like that.

Rentier state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow this says it all. John McCain is dead right, we'll be there for 50 prolly 100 years.

Exactly how many members of Congress would've signed up for 100 years in E-raq.

So when were all dead, tthe USA will finally be able to mark a W in the win column! Sweet!!

SpartanStu · 08-24-2008, 11:53 AM

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Wow this says it all. John McCain is dead right, we'll be there for 50 prolly 100 years.

Exactly how many members of Congress would've signed up for 100 years in E-raq.

So when were all dead, tthe USA will finally be able to mark a W in the win column! Sweet!!

Our base will probably remain, but for the most part, I think we are about done playing in the sandbox...

Negotiator · 08-24-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Final Countdown

not an excuse for the clusterf--- that is the iraqi gov't... but you have to understand the historical context behind arab gov'ts. in no arabic country are the people used to having a major role in government. you can't undo hundreds of years of this sort of crap with a single brief invasion. it will always be like that.

Rentier state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by MSU '73

And it should have been completely understood by the "experts" in the bush administration, bud.

Trying to remove the partisan antics here, it does seem like there's a catch-22 here. Either the Bush administration didn't know what they were getting into in Iraq, with comments like Rumsfeld's "Oh this'll be over in under a year" line and the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner, or they knew and strung America along for whatever motives. Incompetency at best, deception at worst. As much as we need to move forward with the current situation and focus on "What do we do from here?" I think people are justified in their being ticked off. For 8 years we handed the keys to a guy who either didn't know what he was doing or lied to us by selling us a bill of goods and used over a half trillion dollars of our money in the process.

Bullwrinkle · 08-24-2008, 12:33 PM

Ole 73 and his criticism of the Iraqi govt is quite comical. During the same time period, exactly what legislative triumphs and pressing problems have our President and Congress responsibly addressed and solved? After all, we have a 200+ year head start on the Iraqis so we should be pretty good at this governance thing by now.

danb · 08-24-2008, 01:26 PM

Unless it's compared to the Pelosi-Reid congress, then it's a rip-roaring success.

SpartanStu · 08-24-2008, 01:31 PM

Our military removed the wrong dictator.

lars · 08-24-2008, 03:34 PM

Yes, its a complete failure..just like old 73 said the surge would be.

The govt is such a failure that they are operating in relative peace, people once again living and working, with new schools and infrastructure. All the while their oil is coming back online and they are raking in billions in surplus revenue. The failure continues with the govt taking over control of the majority of provinces and asking us to leave sooner rather than later through soon to be negotiated withdrawal agreement. Because they are confident in their ability to handle things from here.

Once again 73 has it right.

...oops maybe not..bud!

tuff bob · 08-24-2008, 03:39 PM

If only the Iraqi's could find someone with a catchy "change we can believe in" catchphrase

Final Countdown · 08-24-2008, 04:46 PM

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If only the Iraqi's could find someone with a catchy "change we can believe in" catchphrase

good job turning a debate about the epic failure of this republican administration into a cheap crack about obama's image.

anything to change the subject....

MSU '73 · 08-24-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lars

Yes, its a complete failure..just like old 73 said the surge would be.

The govt is such a failure that they are operating in relative peace, people once again living and working, with new schools and infrastructure. All the while their oil is coming back online and they are raking in billions in surplus revenue. The failure continues with the govt taking over control of the majority of provinces and asking us to leave sooner rather than later through soon to be negotiated withdrawal agreement. Because they are confident in their ability to handle things from here.

Once again 73 has it right.

...oops maybe not..bud!

Hey lars, how did your obssessin about Clinton "demanding" to become Vice President work out for ya?

Kinda made you look like a fool, eh bud?

And thanks for showing, yet again, that you und