Biden phoning it in!!!!!!!!!!11

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Originally Posted by G Norm Oosdyk

Both.

The Demm philosophy is so divergent (pro-welfare, pro-union, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-high taxes) that one can be a "solid" citizen whilst hating his fellow Demm. Therein lies the problem with the Demms, i.e. they can only payoff so many voters without pissing off others.

that is the problem with the "big tent" situation that grips both parties in this 2 party system.

[G Norm Oosdyk]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

that is the problem with the "big tent" situation that grips the Demms in this 2 party system.

Corrected for you...

The Republicans, as you imply, have this problem, but not to the extent of the Demms.

The Republican party is largely pro-American, pro-military, pro-small government. The divisive issues come in the social area - i.e. the spectrum of socially conservative to socially moderate.

Even in rough times, McCain's numbers are holding up given this less divisive - and highly logical - political base.

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Originally Posted by G Norm Oosdyk

Corrected for you...

The Republicans, as you imply, have this problem, but not to the extent of the Demms.

The Republican party is largely pro-American, pro-military, pro-small government. The divisive issues come in the social area - i.e. the spectrum of socially conservative to socially moderate.

Even in rough times, McCain's numbers are holding up given this less divisive - and highly logical - political base.

you underscore/ignore the disunity in the republican party.

fiscal conservatives are unhappy with bush's big spending
libertarians are unhappy with gov't expansion
christians are unhappy with the mccain pick
moderates are unhappy that the party is hijacked by the christian right
isolationists don't like the war in iraq
protectionists don't like borrowing from the chinese and expanding free trade

etc, etc.

[G Norm Oosdyk]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

you underscore/ignore the disunity in the republican party.

Whilst you exaggerate the meaningless...

fiscal conservatives are unhappy with bush's big spending

Yep. Agree here. This is a bone of contention. Most is for a war that must be waged, though.

libertarians are unhappy with gov't expansion

Uh, if they are so very, very unhappy, why isn't Barr or Paul a more viable third party candidate?

christians are unhappy with the mccain pick

This shall come to pass. The ultra-right is the sole "hands out" constituency of the Republican party, but... they aren't stupid, either. They will be in the fold, especially if Romney is the VEEP.

moderates are unhappy that the party is hijacked by the christian right

Moderately (No pun intended), yes, but McCain WILL win the moderate vote.

isolationists don't like the war in iraq

Isolationists are barely even a group. Let alone a significant factor group. Most "isolationists" are members of the anti-military Demms.

protectionists don't like borrowing from the chinese and expanding free trade

Again, protectionists are more generally attached to the Demm camp. Most Republicans - though cynical of the Chinese - support a free trade agenda.

etc, etc.

All of which are less meaningful than the extra-low-meaningfulness of the thoughts above.

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Originally Posted by G Norm Oosdyk

Whilst you exaggerate the meaningless...



Yep. Agree here. This is a bone of contention. Most is for a war that must be waged, though.



Uh, if they are so very, very unhappy, why isn't Barr or Paul a more viable third party candidate?



This shall come to pass. The ultra-right is the sole "hands out" constituency of the Republican party, but... they aren't stupid, either. They will be in the fold, especially if Romney is the VEEP.



Moderately (No pun intended), yes, but McCain WILL win the moderate vote.



Isolationists are barely even a group. Let alone a significant factor group. Most "isolationists" are members of the anti-military Demms.



Again, protectionists are more generally attached to the Demm camp. Most Republicans - though cynical of the Chinese - support a free trade agenda.

All of which are less meaningful than the extra-low-meaningfulness of the thoughts above.

first of all, there is a notable paleoconservative facet of the republican party. not too huge, but not insignificant.

you agree that many of my points are true but they "shall come to pass" or "won't be that big of a deal." i wasn't arguing about how these points of dissatisfaction will play out, i'm just saying they exist and cause visible strife within the gop.

[G Norm Oosdyk]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

first of all, there is a notable paleoconservative facet of the republican party. not too huge, but not insignificant.

you agree that many of my points are true but they "shall come to pass" or "won't be that big of a deal." i wasn't arguing about how these points of dissatisfaction will play out, i'm just saying they exist and cause visible strife within the gop.

The strife is definitely more played out with the Demms.

I heard that Hillary refused to kiss Obama's ass as the final gesture of party unity, though. Bill countered by suggesting that Michelle kiss his, uh, ****, but that was also refused.

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Wow, great incite. I would love to hear who you "heard" this from. You are such a funny guy. I am sure the trailer park committee loves your jokes.

[WixomSpartan]

Originally Posted by #1

Joe Biden is an excellent speaker and would make an excellent vice president


God bless him.

The part of his speech I heard was 'Folks are afraid they can't make ends meet. Folks are afraid they can't pay their medical bills. Folks are afraid they can't afford gas. Folks are afraid they can't heat their homes. Folks are afraid they can't pay for college for their kids'.

Did it pick up from there, or was it all about keeping voters in a 'State of Fear'?

note: repubs do the same thing, but I though Michelle Obama said this was the year people 'vote their hopes, not their fears'...