Rove Must Not Be a Fan of the Palin Pick...

[TheDoctorIsIn]

He must think she's just a political choice, and not really a good choice for actually being vice president.

For the link Nazis:
Rove: Obama Will Make Political Veep Pick, Suggests Choice Of Virginian Tim Kaine Would Be An "Intensely Political Choice" That Ignores Responsibilities Of Presidency - CBS News

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."

Rove continued: "So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?'"

[Brock F@%ing Samson]

Oh, but she was the head of the PTA.

[Tag]

I hear Rove isn't a big fan of the Search Function, either. Good thing nobody selected the Search Function as a VP candidate.

[Negotiator]

I get where you're going with it, but I don't quite think the logic holds.

Rove: Governor Kaine isn't a loser but he's no big get for the Oval Office. No one can name anything important he's done. He was mayor of a town of 200,000.

That much sounds like Palin to a T but was mayor of a bigger city.

Rove Continues: If he were to pick that Governor, it would be a political choice that says "I'm not concerned about them being able to be President if something happens to me, I just want the electoral votes from that Governor's state."

And HERE is where it gets dicey in making allusions to Palin. You can go one of at least two ways with this. One way is to say "Hey look, similar backgrounds between Kaine and Palin. Actually, Palin looks worse in comparison. And if Rove thought Kaine was a move to grab votes in Virginia, Palin must be a move to grab votes."

The other way to look at it is to say, "Kaine would have been a move to grab votes in Virginia. Palin is from Alaska, a state that has a paltry three electoral votes that are solidly in his column already. Unless he's off his rocker, he's not selecting Palin to shore up Alaska. She's not the political move Kaine was."

[Brock F@%ing Samson]

Originally Posted by Tag

I hear Rove isn't a big fan of the Search Function, either. Good thing nobody selected the Search Function as a VP candidate.

The Search Function would probably do more for McCain than Palin...

...and I bet he's spent more time vetting it than he did her.

[G Norm Oosdyk]

If the Demms really want to make an issue of the Republican's VEEP choice, uh, maybe they should look in the mirror at their POTUS choice.

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Don't vote Republican because their VEEP is inexperienced and, uh, could be POTUS someday. Our POTUS nominee is, well, uh, has got lots of experience. Yeah, that's the ticket. Lots of experience.

Signed,

The Demms

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by G Norm Oosdyk

If the Demms really want to make an issue of the Republican's VEEP choice, uh, maybe they should look in the mirror at their POTUS choice.

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Don't vote Republican because their VEEP is inexperienced and, uh, could be POTUS someday. Our POTUS nominee is, well, uh, has got lots of experience. Yeah, that's the ticket. Lots of experience.

Signed,

The Demms

But how do you define "The Dems"? The Obama/Biden campaign? Last I checked, they're keeping their mouths shut. The DNC? Any American projected to vote for Obama? CNN? As much as people believe it to be true, the GOP and DNC don't represent uniformity of thought and action, they're not as cut and dry as people think. Given that, how can we effectively label every action as being on behalf of the dems or the pubs like it means Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin with a straight face?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

I get where you're going with it, but I don't quite think the logic holds.

Rove: Governor Kaine isn't a loser but he's no big get for the Oval Office. No one can name anything important he's done. He was mayor of a town of 200,000.

That much sounds like Palin to a T but was mayor of a bigger city.

Rove Continues: If he were to pick that Governor, it would be a political choice that says "I'm not concerned about them being able to be President if something happens to me, I just want the electoral votes from that Governor's state."

And HERE is where it gets dicey in making allusions to Palin. You can go one of at least two ways with this. One way is to say "Hey look, similar backgrounds between Kaine and Palin. Actually, Palin looks worse in comparison. And if Rove thought Kaine was a move to grab votes in Virginia, Palin must be a move to grab votes."

The other way to look at it is to say, "Kaine would have been a move to grab votes in Virginia. Palin is from Alaska, a state that has a paltry three electoral votes that are solidly in his column already. Unless he's off his rocker, he's not selecting Palin to shore up Alaska. She's not the political move Kaine was."

Yeah, my point was more that Rove implies Kaine isn't ready, yet Palin, who's achieved less, is ready.

I can't definitively say that Palin isn't ready. It's just that I don't know yet. She's a true wildcard.

[Spartytruth]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

I . Unless he's off his rocker, he's not selecting Palin to shore up Alaska. She's not the political move Kaine was."

So Palin's selectionis based on what? Her experience and ability to lead the free world?

You get that from her background? She can't even keep her family on the right track.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by Spartytruth

So Palin's selectionis based on what? Her experience and ability to lead the free world?

You get that from her background? She can't even keep her family on the right track.

I'm saying that's how it can be played, saying "It's not like Kaine," and infer the opposite.

What I believe? It's somewhere in the middle, albeit a lot closer to one side than the other. I'll wait until I see her RNC speech and the VP debate.

[ming]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

I get where you're going with it, but I don't quite think the logic holds.

Rove: Governor Kaine isn't a loser but he's no big get for the Oval Office. No one can name anything important he's done. He was mayor of a town of 200,000.

That much sounds like Palin to a T but was mayor of a bigger city.

Rove Continues: If he were to pick that Governor, it would be a political choice that says "I'm not concerned about them being able to be President if something happens to me, I just want the electoral votes from that Governor's state."

And HERE is where it gets dicey in making allusions to Palin. You can go one of at least two ways with this. One way is to say "Hey look, similar backgrounds between Kaine and Palin. Actually, Palin looks worse in comparison. And if Rove thought Kaine was a move to grab votes in Virginia, Palin must be a move to grab votes."

The other way to look at it is to say, "Kaine would have been a move to grab votes in Virginia. Palin is from Alaska, a state that has a paltry three electoral votes that are solidly in his column already. Unless he's off his rocker, he's not selecting Palin to shore up Alaska. She's not the political move Kaine was."

I thought it was pretty obvious that Palin was selected to shore up the disgruntled Hillary supporter votes.

[SGT_HULKA]

Originally Posted by TheDoctorIsIn

Yeah, my point was more that Rove implies Kaine isn't ready, yet Palin, who's achieved less, is ready.

I can't definitively say that Palin isn't ready. It's just that I don't know yet. She's a true wildcard.

Ready for what? Since both campaigns are now riding the "Change" bandwagon, having LESS Washington experience is the sell. Maybe it will work, maybe not. But its difficult to promote change when you have been part of the system for 35 years like Biden has. Palin is closer to a regular American than any of the other 3 candidates. Barry has been fluffing himself for 25 years. Proof? Who writes their own autobiography at 32 years old? A guy who is grooming himself for politics. And Biden has been a Senator since 1972. McCain has been a congressman and Senator for years. America will decide if it prefers a citizen-candidate or the usual suspects.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Originally Posted by SGT_HULKA

Ready for what? Since both campaigns are now riding the "Change" bandwagon, having LESS Washington experience is the sell. Maybe it will work, maybe not. But its difficult to promote change when you have been part of the system for 35 years like Biden has. Palin is closer to a regular American than any of the other 3 candidates. Barry has been fluffing himself for 25 years. Proof? Who writes their own autobiography at 32 years old? A guy who is grooming himself for politics. And Biden has been a Senator since 1972. McCain has been a congressman and Senator for years. America will decide if it prefers a citizen-candidate or the usual suspects.

Here's what I'm saying...

I know where Obama stands. I know he's been painted as unproven, but after 18 debates, and a long primary, he's gained the faith of a lot of people.

I know where McCain stands. I don't agree with him on a lot of issues, but I have full confidence in his ability to lead.

As for the VPs, I ask myself this. If the worst happens, can I see them taking the oath of office aboard air force one. Would I feel comfortable with them in this picture...



I'd feel fine with Biden doing it. Heck, I'd feel comfortable with Romney, too. Again, I don't agree with him on a lot, but I'd be comfortable with his leadership and knowledge. I have trouble seeing Sarah Palin taking that oath right now. Maybe in a few months that will change. Maybe it makes me a hypocrite because Obama is still fairly new. But that's where I stand

[irishmick79]

Let's take a broader look at the resumes here.

Barak Obama's Experience:
Graduated Harvard magna *** laude
Head of Havard Law Review
Taught constitutional law
Directed various public programs
Associate at major law firm
7+ Years Illinois State Senate
3 Years Experience US Senate

Abraham Lincoln's Experience:
Elected Captain of a militia company in the Black Hawk War (saw no action)
Taught himself Law
Became successful ambulant lawyer
8 Years Experience Illinois State House of Representatives
2 Years Experience US House of Representatives

It's also worth pointing out that, according to the 2000 census, Obama's state senate district in Illinois was more populous than the entire state of Alaska. Let's get some perspective here on the whole experience issue. You only need to take one look at the democratic primaries to see that Obama, with that thin of a resume, is an extraordinary political talent.

[Spartytruth]

Truth is, no one is actually prepared for the job - character comes thru when it hits you. Some rise to the occasion, some don't.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

I get where you're going with it, but I don't quite think the logic holds.

Rove: Governor Kaine isn't a loser but he's no big get for the Oval Office. No one can name anything important he's done. He was mayor of a town of 200,000.

That much sounds like Palin to a T but was mayor of a bigger city.

Rove Continues: If he were to pick that Governor, it would be a political choice that says "I'm not concerned about them being able to be President if something happens to me, I just want the electoral votes from that Governor's state."

And HERE is where it gets dicey in making allusions to Palin. You can go one of at least two ways with this. One way is to say "Hey look, similar backgrounds between Kaine and Palin. Actually, Palin looks worse in comparison. And if Rove thought Kaine was a move to grab votes in Virginia, Palin must be a move to grab votes."

The other way to look at it is to say, "Kaine would have been a move to grab votes in Virginia. Palin is from Alaska, a state that has a paltry three electoral votes that are solidly in his column already. Unless he's off his rocker, he's not selecting Palin to shore up Alaska. She's not the political move Kaine was."

Gotta admire the effort that went into this.

I think the point is that both picks (had Obama picked Kaine) are examples of making a decision in favor of political pandering over what is best for the country. Kaine would have been a pick to win a swing state. Palin is a pick to win over certain segments of voters. Pretty simple, IMHO. Neither by any traditional sense of the term have the experience necessary to step up to the office of Vice President.

I'm sure there are numerous examples of GOPers assigned to attack Obama on the experience issue over the last 6 months saying things similar to what Rove did. Suddenly, experience isn't as important as it used to be. It's all part of the hypocrisy of politics.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by irishmick79

It's also worth pointing out that, according to the 2000 census, Obama's state senate district in Illinois was more populous than the entire state of Alaska.

How did you figure this out? I was trying to find the size of the 13th but I haven't been able to come up with a number.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by Fletch

Gotta admire the effort that went into this.

I think the point is that both picks (had Obama picked Kaine) are examples of making a decision in favor of political pandering over what is best for the country. Kaine would have been a pick to win a swing state. Palin is a pick to win over certain segments of voters. Pretty simple, IMHO. Neither by any traditional sense of the term have the experience necessary to step up to the office of Vice President.

I'm sure there are numerous examples of GOPers assigned to attack Obama on the experience issue over the last 6 months saying things similar to what Rove did. Suddenly, experience isn't as important as it used to be. It's all part of the hypocrisy of politics.

Mmhmm. And just for the record, I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that I think Palin was a dumb, dumb, DUMB move. I'm just saying that there's another way to spin that, I'm guessing that's what Rove would do. It would've gotten MUCH more interesting had it been, say, McCain.

Just saying that things are rarely as nail-in-the-coffin as people think.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by tuff bob

How did you figure this out? I was trying to find the size of the 13th but I haven't been able to come up with a number.

Whenever you want to know something and don't have to back it up in court, type in what it is you want to know about into Google and put "wiki" on the end.