|
| Wells Hall Off-topic Board Politics, Religion, and Social Issues. This board is your pulpit to preach to the masses (like the Wells Hall preacher) about everything from politics to religion. Please be kind to your fellow Spartans. Post as if your family is in the other computer. |
09-03-2008, 04:46 PM
|
#2 (permalink)
|
 10,000+ posts
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,631
 #53 Greg Jones
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano
|
Surprising since Obama had previously stated that the surge coudn't work. 
__________________
Egotism is the anesthetic that numbs the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 04:56 PM
|
#4 (permalink)
|
 5,000+ posts
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: On the golf course
Posts: 9,982
#23 Javon Ringer
|
__________________
 MEMBER OF THE TOM IZZO & MARK DANTONIO FAN CLUB
"People don't have to play scared, but they better be scared of not playing hard." ~Coach Izzo
Last edited by TripleGreen; 09-03-2008 at 04:58 PM.
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 04:57 PM
|
#5 (permalink)
|
10,000+ posts
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: AvgJoe's house
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle
Surprising since Obama had previously stated that the surge coudn't work. |
Sunni Awakening lead to this... before the surge... you must be as confused as McCain...
YouTube - Obama Campaign: McCain Flubs on Iraq Timeline
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 04:59 PM
|
#6 (permalink)
|
10,000+ posts
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: AvgJoe's house
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleGreen
|
Because that wasn't what lead to the decrease in violence... it happened after half of iraq decided to stop killing the other half...
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:00 PM
|
#7 (permalink)
|
 1,000+ posts
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Somewhere over the Rainbow
Posts: 1,860
#8 Kirk Cousins
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano
Obama's plan - 18 months - that's about right... 
McCain (the former POW in Vietnam) - 100 years...  |
Dont let the facts get in the way of your typical BS propaganda.
Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years… McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.
__________________
"You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill"
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:00 PM
|
#8 (permalink)
|
 25,000+ posts |
Quote:
Originally Posted by AvgMSUJoe
Sunni Awakening lead to this... before the surge... you must be as confused as McCain...
YouTube - Obama Campaign: McCain Flubs on Iraq Timeline
|
liberal media..
by the way, did you know that McCain was a POW in Vietnam? You can't criticize him 
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:00 PM
|
#9 (permalink)
|
 500+ posts
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 789
Zeke the Wonderdog
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleGreen
|
FYI...The postremoval of troops will tell the true story as to whether the "surge" worked. This is a civil war folks and has been for some time. Please don't tell me you think that the downtick of fighting is due to the greater number of troops...it is due to a group of people (Al-Sadr's army) deciding to stop fighting....what makes you think that is permanent? I can almost guarantee that they will resume fighting as soon as the US is out. That is thier ploy and Al-Sadr will be running the country within a year of our final pullout.
__________________
"UAB could have been tougher, Coach, I just have been informed that App. State has beaten U of M"
Dantonio: "Really, That's a shame, a real shame"
Will Tieman: "Coach, that says it all"
Dantonio: "Should we have a moment of silence?"
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:05 PM
|
#10 (permalink)
|
1,000+ posts
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,790
#3 B.J. Cunningham
|
What happens if we get a schedule for troop withdrawl? Do we then argue who would get the troops home sooner with the schedule? What if by chance we nab Bin Laden? Do we then talk about getting our troops home from Afganistan? Do we need a timetable for that? Do we need to get Bin Laden before setting up a timetable?
Me thinks this decision has more to do with our State Dept and military... how much will either one change should Senator Obama become President vs. Senator McCain?
__________________
***************
Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, While loving someone deeply gives you courage.
Lao Tzu
Where there is love there is life.
Gandhi
In politics, if you want anything said ask a man. If you want anything done, ask a woman.
Margaret Thatcher
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:06 PM
|
#11 (permalink)
|
500+ posts
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 860
#21 Otis Wiley
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleGreen
|
Um, you are aware the the only reason "The Surge" was ever necessary is due to the insanely LOW number of troops that were sent in in the first place.
Really, "The Surge" should have been called "If any of the NeoCons had any military experience they would have listened to the Generals request for more troops in 2003"
So my response to "the surge worked" is "No *****."
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:07 PM
|
#12 (permalink)
|
10,000+ posts
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: AvgJoe's house
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wvaspartan
FYI...The postremoval of troops will tell the true story as to whether the "surge" worked. This is a civil war folks and has been for some time. Please don't tell me you think that the downtick of fighting is due to the greater number of troops...it is due to a group of people (Al-Sadr's army) deciding to stop fighting....what makes you think that is permanent? I can almost guarantee that they will resume fighting as soon as the US is out. That is thier ploy and Al-Sadr will be running the country within a year of our final pullout.
|
Zactly... if Al-Sadr says bomb, then there will be bombs... He's sick of bombing Americans because they can bomb back...he will wait until the Americans leave then take control... unless another faction steps up to nutralize him...
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:09 PM
|
#13 (permalink)
|
10,000+ posts
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: AvgJoe's house
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndoSpartan
What happens if we get a schedule for troop withdrawl? Do we then argue who would get the troops home sooner with the schedule? What if by chance we nab Bin Laden? Do we then talk about getting our troops home from Afganistan? Do we need a timetable for that? Do we need to get Bin Laden before setting up a timetable?
Me thinks this decision has more to do with our State Dept and military... how much will either one change should Senator Obama become President vs. Senator McCain?
|
Ask W how much pull the state dept has...
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:11 PM
|
#14 (permalink)
|
1,000+ posts
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,790
#3 B.J. Cunningham
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by AvgMSUJoe
Ask W how much pull the state dept has...
|
Thankfully W will not be the next president.
__________________
***************
Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, While loving someone deeply gives you courage.
Lao Tzu
Where there is love there is life.
Gandhi
In politics, if you want anything said ask a man. If you want anything done, ask a woman.
Margaret Thatcher
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:13 PM
|
#15 (permalink)
|
10,000+ posts
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: AvgJoe's house
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndoSpartan
Thankfully W will not be the next president.
|
Whomever gets elected will replace Rice with their own puppet though...
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:31 PM
|
#17 (permalink)
|
1,000+ posts
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,790
#3 B.J. Cunningham
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano
I like how the people who say the surge has worked do so because that's what the "liberal media" tells them...
I only wish the dead innocent Iraqis and the dead US troops had gotten to experience McCain's pro-life stance.  |
Amen brother... just hope President Obama keeps his pledge to disband our military and end abortion.
__________________
***************
Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, While loving someone deeply gives you courage.
Lao Tzu
Where there is love there is life.
Gandhi
In politics, if you want anything said ask a man. If you want anything done, ask a woman.
Margaret Thatcher
|
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 05:39 PM
|
#18 (permalink)
|
5,000+ posts
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: In a van down by the Red Cedar River
Posts: 6,272
#23 Javon Ringer
|
right on the war in the first place: obama
right on the surge: mccain
right on withdrawal: up for debate
the more reasonable a pullout looks, the more it benefits obama. ironic, i know. the public wants out. they'll vote for whomever can make that happen best.
__________________
EVERY MOMENT IS A DEFINING MOMENT.
EVERY WIN IS A PROGRAM WIN.
 October 3, 2009: The Day the Streak Continues |
|
|
|
09-03-2008, 08:09 PM
|
#19 (permalink)
|
 2,500+ posts
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 4,051
#61 Arthur Ray Jr.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano
I only wish the dead innocent Iraqis and the dead US troops had gotten to experience McCain's pro-life stance. |
The difference is the US troops got to choose to join the military and understood the risks in doing so. McCain defends those who cannot choose whether they live or die. As far as your remarks about dead Iraqis, do you think that it is the Americans that are killing them? Perhaps it was (and still is) our enemies that are killing them? Hence why there has been a dramatic turn against our enemies over there by most of the civilians.
__________________
 Izzo/Dantonio '08 |
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Rate This Thread |
 Linear Mode
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
|
|
|
RCMB Donor (only) Features:
