It's really only a matter of time now - Obama is dead in the water.

[VP Sarah Palin]

McCain managed to close Obama's entire convention bounce with one day to spare. With only 60 days left to go, we're entering 30 second soundbyte territory and Obama can't afford to spend 10 minutes on a point. McCain and Palin will absolutely bury him.

[ErnieMcCracken]

Who knows what happens but I think you are wrong. First, Obama's ground operation is a best in breed operation. Second, he is ahead in the electoral map. Third, Obama has a laser like focus on the economy which is the leading issue right now. Fourth, the Palin effect if anything is going to dissipate. Obama and Biden will completely ignore her and just attack the top of the ticket.

[VP Sarah Palin]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

Who knows what happens but I think you are wrong. First, Obama's ground operation is a best in breed operation. Second, he is ahead in the electoral map. Third, Obama has a laser like focus on the economy which is the leading issue right now. Fourth, the Palin effect if anything is going to dissipate. Obama and Biden will completely ignore her and just attack the top of the ticket.

To win the election Obama needs to win one of four packages. Assuming he takes Iowa and all Kerry States.

1) Nevada AND Colorado AND New Mexico (Obama is losing to McCain in NV, tied in CO)
2) Ohio (Obama is E)
3) Virginia (Obama is E)
4) Florida (Obama is -2)

His best chance to win the election is going to be Virginia or Ohio.

Obama did terrible in Appalachia, an area where Hillary would have helped. Virginia is a wild card but lies in both the deep south and Appala-guns and religion-cia.

The tax, liberal, elite, guns, religion, abortion, black labels (I believe) are good for at least a McCain +2 (Bradley Effect) in each of those states.

[IGGcitable]

ROFL. Everyone will get tired of looking at Palin's tits after about a week (by far her most captivating feature), she'll say a bunch of stupid things, McCain will continue tangling himself up with Bush and that will be all she wrote.

And Hillary will jump back in the fray and open up a can of whoop-ass on Palin (as well as McCain). Nothing enrages ball-busting feminists like Hillary and her true disciples more than a giggling girly-girl cheerleader-type getting promoted up the ladder lightning-fast while they get left behind.

The Hillary feminists have vented their frustration at Obama, but as the election draws clearer, they'll sober up and think, "Holy $#$#, am I really that mad I wanna see ole Grandpaw McCain in office taking orders from Rove/Cheney for 8 more years, plus about a 43% chance that pom-pom shaking b$#$# gets elevated into the White House? F that noise."

[ErnieMcCracken]

Originally Posted by #1

To win the election Obama needs to win one of four packages. Assuming he takes Iowa and all Kerry States.

1) Nevada AND Colorado AND New Mexico (Obama is losing to McCain in NV, tied in CO)
2) Ohio (Obama is E)
3) Virginia (Obama is E)
4) Florida (Obama is -2)

His best chance to win the election is going to be Virginia or Ohio.

Obama did terrible in Appalachia, an area where Hillary would have helped. Virginia is a wild card but lies in both the deep south and Appala-guns and religion-cia.

The tax, liberal, elite, guns, religion, abortion, black labels (I believe) are good for at least a McCain +2 (Bradley Effect) in each of those states.

So lay out the end game for McCain. I say he has the weaker hand.

[VP Sarah Palin]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

So lay out the end game for McCain. I say he has the weaker hand.

McCain officially began his divorce from Bush tonight. If McCain starts throwing him under the bus the "can't afford more of the same" argument goes out the window. Obama still doesn't have an effective counter to the celebrity or taxman charges. I would love to be the rosy eyed Democrat I really am, but my party has never come up with a good counter to the elitist / taxman / liberal / baby killer.

For example, home stretch coming up, all McCain has to do in a debate is pound his hands on the podium and say "life begins at conception, I am pro life." Obama has to go down the "well, we don't know if life begins at conception, it's not really murder, woman's right to choose" road which is longer.

McCain can pound his fist on the desk and say "no new taxes" while Obama has to get into a lengthy "those making under 250,000 / yr will see a modest decrease..."

McCain can tear into Obama's "San Francisco Values," and what's Obama's retort?? Phoenix, AZ values? Nashville, TN values?

Cling to guns and religion
Tax and Spend
Liberal
Elitist
Wine sipping
Arugula
$400 haircut

The right has always had a better command of the English language too. Which sounds more appealing to a voter? "Record Oil Profits Tax" or "Windfall Profits." Which sounds more appealing? "No Child Left Behind" or "Educational Reform Act of 2001?"

McCain's end game is to stick to the talking points and level absolute lies against Obama. Obama will have to either ignore the negative ads (see swiftboat 2004) or spend most of his money buying ad time to rebut him.

[IGGcitable]

Originally Posted by #1

McCain officially began his divorce from Bush tonight. If McCain starts throwing him under the bus the "can't afford more of the same" argument goes out the window. Obama still doesn't have an effective counter to the celebrity or taxman charges. I would love to be the rosy eyed Democrat I really am, but my party has never come up with a good counter to the elitist / taxman / liberal / baby killer.

For example, home stretch coming up, all McCain has to do in a debate is pound his hands on the podium and say "life begins at conception, I am pro life." Obama has to go down the "well, we don't know if life begins at conception, it's not really murder, woman's right to choose" road which is longer.

McCain can pound his fist on the desk and say "no new taxes" while Obama has to get into a lengthy "those making under 250,000 / yr will see a modest decrease..."

McCain can tear into Obama's "San Francisco Values," and what's Obama's retort?? Phoenix, AZ values? Nashville, TN values?

Cling to guns and religion
Tax and Spend
Liberal
Elitist
Wine sipping
Arugula
$400 haircut

The right has always had a better command of the English language too. Which sounds more appealing to a voter? "Record Oil Profits Tax" or "Windfall Profits." Which sounds more appealing? "No Child Left Behind" or "Educational Reform Act of 2001?"

McCain's end game is to stick to the talking points and level absolute lies against Obama. Obama will have to either ignore the negative ads (see swiftboat 2004) or spend most of his money buying ad time to rebut him.

boom

[thephoneman]

Originally Posted by IGGcitable

ROFL. Everyone will get tired of looking at Palin's tits after about a week (by far her most captivating feature), she'll say a bunch of stupid things, McCain will continue tangling himself up with Bush and that will be all she wrote.

And Hillary will jump back in the fray and open up a can of whoop-ass on Palin (as well as McCain). Nothing enrages ball-busting feminists like Hillary and her true disciples more than a giggling girly-girl cheerleader-type getting promoted up the ladder lightning-fast while they get left behind.

The Hillary feminists have vented their frustration at Obama, but as the election draws clearer, they'll sober up and think, "Holy $#$#, am I really that mad I wanna see ole Grandpaw McCain in office taking orders from Rove/Cheney for 8 more years, plus about a 43% chance that pom-pom shaking b$#$# gets elevated into the White House? F that noise."

That there is some honest truth.

[wingfanjim]

Wishful thinking, #1. McCain may give a speech saying he's breaking from Bush, but the realities are different. He's running on his record and experience. Fine. The record shows he has supported Bush's policies over 90% of the time. His words don't match his record. So which McCain are we supposed to be voting for in November? The one who gave a speech saying he would change Washington and the way things are done or the one who has blindly supported virtually every policy decision the current administration has offered up?

[New User]

Originally Posted by #1

To win the election Obama needs to win one of four packages. Assuming he takes Iowa and all Kerry States.

1) Nevada AND Colorado AND New Mexico (Obama is losing to McCain in NV, tied in CO)
2) Ohio (Obama is E)
3) Virginia (Obama is E)
4) Florida (Obama is -2)

His best chance to win the election is going to be Virginia or Ohio.

Obama did terrible in Appalachia, an area where Hillary would have helped. Virginia is a wild card but lies in both the deep south and Appala-guns and religion-cia.

The tax, liberal, elite, guns, religion, abortion, black labels (I believe) are good for at least a McCain +2 (Bradley Effect) in each of those states.

No. Obama is going to lose Iowa,
but take
Ohio
Michigan,
and go all the way to the white house

YEAAAHHHHHHHHH

[GRR Spartan]

Breaking from Bush2 is accurate.
Now we know the both Bush2 and Cheney have taken on evil personas to the McCain campaign. They both have reached He who shall not be named status.

It will be interesting to see how the McCain camp rewrites their playbook and attempts to sell the ticket as reformers when the head of the ticket has been in Washington DC for 25 years and has supported He who shall not be named 90% of the time over the last 7+ years.

The GOP wants to make this a 55-60 day telenovela starring Gov Palin. The Democrats want to make the last 8 years the issue. If we see more "major corrections" which is investor talk for loses in the stock market and the jobs outlook continues to look grim The Economy documentary it will overide the Sarah Palin, Frontier Govenor story.

[InTenSity]

If McCain wins it just proves we are moving closer and closer to...

[DB]

Vote Here After Some Campaigning


it's on.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by IGGcitable

That could actually get some play (see August jobs report thread)

[Vlad_the_Impaler]

So #1 thinks the GOP has a better command of the English language?? Even the conservative analysts conceded the point last night that McCain is not going to win this election with his oratory skills!

As for 10 second sound bites, try these few...

No way! No How! No McCain!!
John McCain doesn't get it!
Yes we can!

Next!

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

Breaking from Bush2 is accurate.
Now we know the both Bush2 and Cheney have taken on evil personas to the McCain campaign. They both have reached He who shall not be named status.

It will be interesting to see how the McCain camp rewrites their playbook and attempts to sell the ticket as reformers when the head of the ticket has been in Washington DC for 25 years and has supported He who shall not be named 90% of the time over the last 7+ years.

The GOP wants to make this a 55-60 day telenovela starring Gov Palin. The Democrats want to make the last 8 years the issue. If we see more "major corrections" which is investor talk for loses in the stock market and the jobs outlook continues to look grim The Economy documentary it will overide the Sarah Palin, Frontier Govenor story.

So what is the proper percentage that a Republican Senator should vote positively on a Republican bill to be signed by a Republican President? 70%? 50? or maybe 45% like Obama?

You are so much better than simply repeating that prattle about McCain voting with Bush.

[InTenSity]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

So what is the proper percentage that a Republican Senator should vote positively on a Republican bill to be signed by a Republican President? 70%? 50? or maybe 45% like Obama?

You are so much better than simply repeating that prattle about McCain voting with Bush.

Well one who wants to run on a new slogan of Change probably shouldn't vote with the sitting president 90% of the time.

[MSU '73]

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE AS OF TODAY = 6.1%

It will be getting worse before it gets better.

McCain's and Palin's "sound bites" will be useless if the economy continues to deteriorate.

You are a FOOL if you think differently.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by InTenSity

Well one who wants to run on a new slogan of Change probably shouldn't vote with the sitting president 90% of the time.

So 90% is too high - is 45% too low or is that just right?

[InTenSity]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

So 90% is too high - is 45% too low or is that just right?

Honestly, I guess I would have to go back and see what was voted on and what was agreed upon over what was voted against. I'm probably not going to do that. Just let me know when the republicans have decided how I can run my life so I can stop making decisions for myself adn let them dictate to me what my personal choices should or shouldn't be.

[msuferd]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

Wishful thinking, #1. McCain may give a speech saying he's breaking from Bush, but the realities are different. He's running on his record and experience. Fine. The record shows he has supported Bush's policies over 90% of the time. His words don't match his record. So which McCain are we supposed to be voting for in November? The one who gave a speech saying he would change Washington and the way things are done or the one who has blindly supported virtually every policy decision the current administration has offered up?

Bang.

McCain will never be able to divorce himself from Bush. The proof is in the pudding.

He's contradicting himself. "I voted w/ Bush 90% of the time, but I didn't really mean to."

[msuferd]

Originally Posted by #1

McCain managed to close Obama's entire convention bounce with one day to spare. With only 60 days left to go, we're entering 30 second soundbyte territory and Obama can't afford to spend 10 minutes on a point. McCain and Palin will absolutely bury him.

I hope you realized that the poll numbers will go back & forth all the way to November.

And as we've realized, they dont' really even matter. Only the votes in a few states do. If Obama pulls ahead in Ohio, or Florida, or (fill in the blank), that's all that really matters.

[TK421]

Originally Posted by #1

McCain managed to close Obama's entire convention bounce with one day to spare. With only 60 days left to go, we're entering 30 second soundbyte territory and Obama can't afford to spend 10 minutes on a point. McCain and Palin will absolutely bury him.

McCain still has 60 days to hide from the abysmal record the GOP have over the last 8 years. That, ultimately will be his undoing. The reality is that McCain is a former maverick, not a current one. Since W was re-elected and he began plotting his own presidential course, he has more or less been lock step with the President on most key issues, namely Iraq and the Economy. No way can he win with a record like that.

The Dems should bury him on his flip flopping like the Right went after Kerry in '04