How is Obama going to save the economy???

[TripleGreen]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

Iraq was actively supporting terrorist organizations when the US government took them off the states supporting terrorism list, so they could deal arms to Iraq. Then the US placed Iraq back on the states supporting terrorism list after they had fallen out of favor, but were not supporting terrorism.

Keep chanting that to yourself as if it means anything, which it doesn't.

Starting a war in Iraq killed two birds with one stone. It removed a brutal dictator who was in charge of a country that was a haven to terrorists (thus allowing a critical Islamic society to begin crawling down the long and winding road to psuedo-democracy...hey its a start) and it also allowed the US to create a battle field in the war against terror right smack dab in the middle of the rats nest.

[Lenin's Tomb]

Originally Posted by Todd Farkman

Yeah, I've read that before. He won't do anything with NAFTA despite his saying he wants to ammend it.

He doesn't even address the debt, yet talks about creating tons of jobs through gov't.

Like I said above, his approach seems to be a $1000 rebate, a $1000 tax cut, encourage businesses to give Americans jobs, and with a ton of gov't spending create millions of jobs.

I don't think that addresses the problems he keeps bringing up....

Fair enough. I don't support Obama. Furthermore, I have no reason to believe, based on past behavior, that he will actually do anything that he says he will do. That said, I feel Obama will do less awful than McCain.

[spartyonbeale]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

You don't think that the war expenditures have something to do with the economy?

As for your questions; maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe (though it hasn't been proposed by either major party, and I'm therefore not sure why you brought it up.

Not really, we have a $13 Trillion economy that is impacted at a minimal level by gov't spending (and if you count all the illegal activities...drug dealing, prostitution etc it is closer to $15 Trillion).

USA TODAY est that the war cost about $70 Billion a year...the US gov't spends $79 Billion a year on Transportation alone and over $2.4 Trillion on Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid..and the last US Budget was over $2.3 Trillion.

So, no the war in Iraq is not this "massive" drain on the economy....if you want to really get upset and fix something forget the war and focus on Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.

[Lenin's Tomb]

Originally Posted by The Great Danton

Obama's "windfall tax rebate" is going to drive oil prices through the roof and will end up costing Americans money despite the rebate.

Once again, would anyone like to address the fact that Palin has already had a hand in passing a windfall tax on oil companies in Alaska?

[spartyonbeale]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

Once again, would anyone like to address the fact that Palin has already had a hand in passing a windfall tax on oil companies in Alaska?

Yea...she was wrong and it is STILL A BAD IDEA.

[TripleGreen]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

Fair enough. I don't support Obama. Furthermore, I have no reason to believe, based on past behavior, that he will actually do anything that he says he will do. That said, I feel Obama will do less awful than McCain.

Less awful? Which candidate do you think will do more to GUARANTEE that the United States isn't attacked again? Do you really think that retreating from the war in January will make our country safer?

Obama to the Islamic terrorists: "Seriously guys, no hard feelings right?"

Islamic terrorists to Obama:

[Lenin's Tomb]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnInChitown

You honestly believe Hussein's government was not pro-terrorist?

Yes and no. You can find arguments that Iraq supported terrorists, like the payouts to suicide bomber families. Though I haven't researched that personally, I just hear it a lot. But the Hussein government was also staunchly secular, and there was no significant Al Qaida activities in Iraq (or at least the portion of Iraq that the government actually controlled). Now that strikes me as anti-terrorist and no small feat in the Middle East.

And I just want to say that if Iraq is considered a terrorist supporting government requiring a full scale invasion, then you are casting an awfully wide net. If that is the case the following countries should be invaded and their governments overthrown: Syria, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Indonesia, Israel, Pakistan, Myanmar, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Algeria, Zimbabwe, Columbia, Venezuela, Russia, Georgia, Angola, Guinea, Chad, Uganda, and the United States.*

*List will be updated if time permits.

[danb]

Our Messiah isn't interested in "helping" the economy, if by that one means growing it. The economy is too big now according to Him, er Hym.

He has stated repeatedly that he wants to use tax policy to re-distribute money from people that have lots to certain people who don't. In this regard, he is an unabashed socialist.

He has stated repeatedly that gas prices are not too high, the onyl rpoblem as he saw it was that they grew so quickly. That was earlier this summer, so maybe having them where they're at now is OK.

He wants us to use less energy, he wants the revenues of the oil companies to decrease, which requires economic slowdown.

I believe he wants to nationalize not only health care including the drug industry, but eventually the oil industry, airline industry, telecommunications, and others. I believe he wants to put in place wage and prices controls and control the amount and type of products made in America and control the means of their production. I believe he wants to manage the economy to acheive his utopian vision in a centralized way. I believe he wants to strictly control imports and exports. I believe he wants to bring about the end of free-market capitalism.

I believe he will prosecute his political enemies in kangaroo courts and jail or execute them. I believe he will put into place fertility laws and force sterilization and abortion on certain types of people to control the population. Like his intellectual and political ancestors, the american progressives of the 20th century, I believe he is inspired by Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, and Woodrow Wison.

And like Hillary Clinton, he is a disciple of Saul Alinsky.

[The Great Danton]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

Once again, would anyone like to address the fact that Palin has already had a hand in passing a windfall tax on oil companies in Alaska?

It's a bad idea...

The last guy who tried a windfall tax on oil companies was Jimmy Carter. Does anyone remember what happened to gas prices during his Presidency?

Posters really need to realize that criticism of Obama/Biden does not mean support of McCain/Palin.

[Dr. X]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnInChitown

Removing a terrorist-friendly government certainly addresses those concerns.

Why hasn't your warmongering President pulled a Harry Truman and nuked the **** out of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and any other nation that harbors Islamofascists?

End the war immediately. Save American lives and wipe out every threat that exists.

Why does the compassionate conservative, George W Bush, have smaller nuclear balls than the Democrat Harry S. Truman?

You thumbsucking Republicans need to put your warheads where your propaganda is.

[dru]

Originally Posted by TripleGreen

Less awful? Which candidate do you think will do more to GUARANTEE that the United States isn't attacked again? Do you really think that retreating from the war in January will make our country safer?

Obama to the Islamic terrorists: "Seriously guys, no hard feelings right?"

Islamic terrorists to Obama:

Yup, the big, bad, Islamic boogieman is the biggest threat facing our country.

[Home for the Holidays]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

Once again, would anyone like to address the fact that Palin has already had a hand in passing a windfall tax on oil companies in Alaska?

The WSJ did just that today.

What Palin Really Did To the Oil Industry - WSJ.com

Some supporters of Barack Obama see that money coming in and say that John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, must have done what Sen. Obama wants to do -- sock those companies with a big fat windfall profit tax. This is a deeply misleading reading of her 2007 tax reform.

[Lenin's Tomb]

Originally Posted by The Great Danton

It's a bad idea...

The last guy who tried a windfall tax on oil companies was Jimmy Carter. Does anyone remember what happened to gas prices during his Presidency?

Posters really need to realize that criticism of Obama/Biden does not mean support of McCain/Palin.

Sorry, I'm frustrated by the reverse tendency. But, I was also frustrated by the socialism label on Obama, and no comments on this point on Palin.

[Lenin's Tomb]

Originally Posted by WBill

The WSJ did just that today.

What Palin Really Did To the Oil Industry - WSJ.com

Yeah, read it, I'm not seeing the deaply misleading reading of her tax reform.

It increased taxes on oil companies under record profits and paid out to the residents accordingly.

[The Great Danton]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

Sorry, I'm frustrated by the reverse tendency. But, I was also frustrated by the socialism label on Obama, and no comments on this point on Palin.

I don't know enough about Palin to say much about her. It's very likely she will have zero influence on policy, unless McCain has an accident.

[LoneWolfSparty®]

Poster starts a thread about Barak, and libs turn it into a thread about Palin. Nope, you aren't afraid of her at all!

[VanWilder]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

I love these type of threads...

Not one LIBERAL answered the question. Each one went off about the war. Ok, now answer the question...

- Is raising taxes on the people that make $270,000 and more going to help the economy?
- Is raising the capital gains tax 5% to 8% ON ALL PEOPLE going to help the economy?
- Is removing the Social Sec tax cap from $93, 500 to over $200,000 (excluding people making less than $200,000) going to help the economy?
- Is the nationalization of 20% of the US economy (the health industry) going to help the economy?

Please explain how any of these will help the economy...

thank you,

You won't get an answer. I started a thread asking why I should vote for obama, and I got ONE answer out of three pages. They have no idea why they are voting . . .only voting for "change" and because he's not the "same".

Anyone with a third grade education can answer these questions. Taxes DO NOT stimulate, boost, or otherwise "improve" the economy. Look what happened in MI when Granmole raised taxes. Businesses move out, people leave and start businesses in more favorable environments, and you do not have people investing in the state. Bad combinations for growth.

[Todd Farkman]

Originally Posted by VanWilder

You won't get an answer. I started a thread asking why I should vote for obama, and I got ONE answer out of three pages. They have no idea why they are voting . . .only voting for "change" and because he's not the "same".

Anyone with a third grade education can answer these questions. Taxes DO NOT stimulate, boost, or otherwise "improve" the economy. Look what happened in MI when Granmole raised taxes. Businesses move out, people leave and start businesses in more favorable environments, and you do not have people investing in the state. Bad combinations for growth.

well i think Obama gives plenty of reasons to vote for him. If you want a lot of gov't spending on things like green energy and rebate checks, then that's a reason to vote for him. A lot of what he says, A LOT, is just speculation just like McCain. Like "lets ammend NAFTA"....really, how?? Or I'll work with auto companies, blah blah.....it sounds great but its empty and worthless in reality. Bush met with the auto companies and they all laughed about energy policy together.

IMHO, the issues with the economy are clear and they have nothing to do with all the BS listed in Obama's list of what hes going to do for the economy.

To be honest, I don't think either candidate could say what they would honestly do to fix the economy because it would be hugely unpopular.

[Chi Town Sparty]

Originally Posted by Todd Farkman

I heard about that $1000 rebate....

And he plans on creating a ton of gov't jobs....

But what else? He's going to do nothing about NAFTA. He has no plan outside of gov't jobs and a rebate check....

Why does Obama claim superiority on the economy?

He rags and rags Bush about job losses and the stock market, but what is he going to do to change anything??


Seriously, I'm not a McCain supporter, I just want to hear what someone can actually do about the stuff they complain about!?!

Here is a link ot the PDF that's on his website that outlines his goals for correcting the economy along with health care, energy, immigration etc. etc. Print it out and see if you agree with his agenda. The see if you can find John McCain's.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama...tForChange.pdf

[Chewy Goodness]

do people not understand that a lot of the money spent on the war goes to american companies and workers that manufacture and design the things used in war.

also, the money goes to pay salaries of the US soldiers and their families. all of this money goes back into the economy.

[Chi Town Sparty]

Originally Posted by TripleGreen

Keep chanting that to yourself as if it means anything, which it doesn't.

Starting a war in Iraq killed two bird