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09-05-2008, 07:18 PM
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How is Obama going to save the economy???
I heard about that $1000 rebate....
And he plans on creating a ton of gov't jobs....
But what else? He's going to do nothing about NAFTA. He has no plan outside of gov't jobs and a rebate check....
Why does Obama claim superiority on the economy?
He rags and rags Bush about job losses and the stock market, but what is he going to do to change anything??
Seriously, I'm not a McCain supporter, I just want to hear what someone can actually do about the stuff they complain about!?!
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09-05-2008, 07:23 PM
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stop spending money on useless wars
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09-05-2008, 07:24 PM
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Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Economy
Click link.
Read the words that appear.
BTW, I support your third party platform. Not sure which party, but definitely third party for president.
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09-05-2008, 07:24 PM
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stop spending money on useless wars
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Fortunately the war in Iraq has a purpose.
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09-05-2008, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SpartyOnInChitown
Fortunately the war in Iraq has a purpose.
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enriching war profiteers doesn't count
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09-05-2008, 07:28 PM
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Fortunately the war in Iraq has a purpose.
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Yeah, funneling our future generations' tax dollars to creating a pro-western government at the barrel of a gun to help control middle eastern oil.
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09-05-2008, 07:30 PM
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Yeah, funneling our future generations' tax dollars to creating a pro-western government at the barrel of a gun to help control middle eastern oil.
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Try national security.
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09-05-2008, 07:34 PM
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Try national security.
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 The war is still the cheaper way out. The alternative is more american deaths, more money spent.
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09-05-2008, 07:35 PM
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Try national security.
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Whose national security?
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09-05-2008, 07:48 PM
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Whose national security? 
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Ours. Militant Islamic fundamentalists want the United States to crumble to the ground. They hate us and our way of life. If left unchecked they will only grow stronger, and become more organized and ruthless.
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09-05-2008, 07:50 PM
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Even the biggest Oprabama supporter knows he has no answer.
Sure the war sucks. But in relation to the other screw ups by both parties it's chump change and even if we packed up and left tomorrow, stuff wouldn't change much. Anybody that says it will is a fool.
The biggest problem facing the nation is the debt of the federal government. At all levels and sources.
"Giving" everybody a quick thousand won't do a thing. Is it any wonder that ad quietly disappeared? I'm insulted that somebody running for President would resort to such nonsense.
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09-05-2008, 07:50 PM
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Ours. Militant Islamic fundamentalists want the United States to crumble to the ground. They hate us and our way of life. If left unchecked they will only grow stronger, more ruthless and more brave.

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Follow up question. How does attacking the sovereign nation of Iraq in 2003 address your concerns of militant islamic fundamentalists attacking the US?
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09-05-2008, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Anti - Bob
Even the biggest Oprabama supporter knows he has no answer.
Sure the war sucks. But in relation to the other screw ups by both parties it's chump change and even if we packed up and left tomorrow, stuff wouldn't change much. Anybody that says it will is a fool.
The biggest problem facing the nation is the debt of the federal government. At all levels and sources.
"Giving" everybody a quick thousand won't do a thing. Is it any wonder that ad quietly disappeared? I'm insulted that somebody running for President would resort to such nonsense.
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I'm not sure you've been keeping up on current events.
The war is part of the debt problem.
GWB, the current president, has twice pushed for tax rebate checks. Which is not to say that I agree with it from him or Obama. And Palin pushed for and Alaska passed a windfall tax on oil companies, which has helped increase the yearly resident payout to $3,200.
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09-05-2008, 07:56 PM
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Follow up question. How does attacking the sovereign nation of Iraq in 2003 address your concerns of militant islamic fundamentalists attacking the US?
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Removing a terrorist-friendly government certainly addresses those concerns.
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I don't care who you are, if you schedule a wedding during college football season I'm not coming. All I want is my Saturdays in the fall, you have the rest of the ****ing year to get married.
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09-05-2008, 07:59 PM
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Follow up question. How does attacking the sovereign nation of Iraq in 2003 address your concerns of militant islamic fundamentalists attacking the US?
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The pro-terrorist governement of Hussein was an easy in to create a battle ground outside of the United States that would serve as a bug light to the islamic terrorists in the region. The war was inevitable and better there than here...and better that it's done by us, now, than by our children's children. Clinton had the opportunity in the 90's and he chose to procrastinate on the issue of terrorism and look where that took us. All he did was delay the inevitable and pass the poison along to the next generation and the next administration and make them deal with it.
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09-05-2008, 08:01 PM
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Removing a terrorist-friendly government certainly addresses those concerns.
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Sure, if the US had actually removed a terrorist-friendly government. Iraq doesn't fit.
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09-05-2008, 08:03 PM
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Sure, if the US had actually removed a terrorist-friendly government. Iraq doesn't fit.
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You honestly believe Hussein's government was not pro-terrorist? 
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I don't care who you are, if you schedule a wedding during college football season I'm not coming. All I want is my Saturdays in the fall, you have the rest of the ****ing year to get married.
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09-05-2008, 08:04 PM
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Obama's "windfall tax rebate" is going to drive oil prices through the roof and will end up costing Americans money despite the rebate.
And creating more jobs in government is a horrible quick-fix that will hurt our country in the long run. As if Washington needs to be any bigger.
After all of Obama's tax increases, I wouldn't be surprised if Americans are paying 50% of their paychecks away to our new babysitters in Washington. We'll be fast on our way to socialism.
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09-05-2008, 08:04 PM
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Sure, if the US had actually removed a terrorist-friendly government. Iraq doesn't fit.
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Thank-you for reminding me why I'm not voting for Obama. Deep down, Barack probably agrees with you.
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09-05-2008, 08:07 PM
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I love these type of threads...
Not one LIBERAL answered the question. Each one went off about the war. Ok, now answer the question...
- Is raising taxes on the people that make $270,000 and more going to help the economy?
- Is raising the capital gains tax 5% to 8% ON ALL PEOPLE going to help the economy?
- Is removing the Social Sec tax cap from $93, 500 to over $200,000 (excluding people making less than $200,000) going to help the economy?
- Is the nationalization of 20% of the US economy (the health industry) going to help the economy?
Please explain how any of these will help the economy...
thank you,
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09-05-2008, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleGreen
The pro-terrorist governement of Hussein was an easy in to create a battle ground outside of the United States that would serve as a bug light to the islamic terrorists in the region. The war was inevitable and better there than here...and better that it's done by us, now, than by our children's children. Clinton had the opportunity in the 90's and he chose to procrastinate on the issue of terrorism and look where that took us. All he did was delay the inevitable and pass the poison along to the next generation and the next administration and make them deal with it. 
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Iraq was actively supporting terrorist organizations when the US government took them off the states supporting terrorism list, so they could deal arms to Iraq. Then the US placed Iraq back on the states supporting terrorism list after they had fallen out of favor, but were not supporting terrorism.
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