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09-11-2008, 11:41 PM
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Any 3rd party will do!
Admit it!
Your side has flip-floped, offered failed campaign trail promises, embezzeled, and embarassed you at one time or another and lied to you.
Recently.
Im talking republicans and democrats. Its pluropoly, not democracy.
Competition is good for business.
Competition is good for politics! Democracy!
Does this make sense, if so Vote 3rd party. Any 3rd party.
Stop the politicians from their greed.
Do you want to add to government bloat with nationalized health care right now? I don't, I want health care after we get these bums under control.
Do you want 100 years in Iraq or war in Iran? I dont.
Do you want a $9 Trillion and GROWING national debt? I dont.
Our country is about to be as broke and out on its ear as the manufacturing leg of our country and every family that the money from manufacturing touched.
If we the cynical (whom I believe are the majority) would level the playing field with votes across the board it would really signal the voice of diversity.
If a republican is in control, he is a lame duck with all the Dems in congress. And we have continued war.
If a democrat is in office with a democratic congress we will have a huge bloat of spending and growth for our new health care.
If a 3rd party is in office we get a democratic congress that can be stopped by veto. And if the 3rd party president is really stupid, we demand immediate recall.
If our nation is a car, then our brakes are REALLY squeeking. If we level the playing field with votes we legitimze choice and ring the bell of clarity for multiple parties on politics, and give ourselves 4 years to reform politics.
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The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming!
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09-11-2008, 11:57 PM
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Too bad Bob Barr looks like a goober.
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09-12-2008, 12:03 AM
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Too bad Bob Barr looks like a goober.
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Hahahaha I liked his pinstripe black suit when he was on the daily show.
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The difference between Republican politicans and Democratic politicians is the difference between glazed and powdered donuts.
The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming!
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09-12-2008, 12:51 AM
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Too bad Bob Barr looks like a goober.
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I still can't believe the Libertarians nominated him for President. Where's a Harry Browne when you need him (unfortunately, Harry kicked it a couple of years ago)?
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09-12-2008, 01:23 AM
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I support this message.
Voting Libertarian this election, on principle more than supporting Bob Barr.
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09-12-2008, 05:49 AM
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vote third party or don't vote, we need to send a message to Washington that the Democratic and Republican parties are ****ing terrible.
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09-12-2008, 09:11 AM
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 #14 Brett Swenson
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I think a lot of people are scared to vote third party because they don't want someone else getting elected because of it. Also, unfortunately I don't think a whole lot of people really know much about the 3rd party candidates...except that they are painted with the same nutjob paintbrush.
PS...the Constitution party will be on the ballot here in Ohio after much speculation.
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09-12-2008, 09:40 AM
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The only way that a third party breaks through is with lots and lots of money. Unfortunately, the people who have the money and the inclination to bankroll something like that tend to be a bit nutty - like Ross Perot.
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09-12-2008, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Cheesiest™
I think a lot of people are scared to vote third party because they don't want someone else getting elected because of it. Also, unfortunately I don't think a whole lot of people really know much about the 3rd party candidates...except that they are painted with the same nutjob paintbrush.
PS...the Constitution party will be on the ballot here in Ohio after much speculation.
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They dont need to be scared. You dont need to be scared. There are enough entrenched republicans and democrats who will toe the company line. But what a 3rd party vote will do is signify the need for more than 2 outdated, out of touch parties.
Spread your vote across the bar. It really doesnt even mater if you vote socialist, communist, fascist, green, libertairan, write in or other. They will not win. Level the votes across the board and it will signal to Republicans and Democrats we need to deversify. It will tell these bums that their roman orgy is over. It will tell these old inbreds that there is new blood coming. It will tell them that their master isn't big lobbyist money. It will tell them that the good people are waking up to their BS.
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The difference between Republican politicans and Democratic politicians is the difference between glazed and powdered donuts.
The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming!
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09-12-2008, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The Great Danton
I support this message.
Voting Libertarian this election, on principle more than supporting Bob Barr.
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I'm just about at that point now. I have always leaned towards limited government, lower taxes, etc. The Republican party say they standed for that (maybe more so the dems, but not really), but have shown with recent bailouts & fiscal deficits that they are by no means fiscally conservative.
So, even though I know voting Libertarian won't be for the winner. At least my conscious will be clear.
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09-12-2008, 12:37 PM
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vote third party or don't vote, we need to send a message to Washington that the Democratic and Republican parties are ****ing terrible.
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Not voting is appathetic. You need to vote. If you are scared vote, vote for whom you believe has the least amount of chance to win.
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The difference between Republican politicans and Democratic politicians is the difference between glazed and powdered donuts.
The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming!
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09-15-2008, 03:06 AM
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The difference between Republican politicans and Democratic politicians is the difference between glazed and powdered donuts.
The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming!
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09-15-2008, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SpartanJT
Too bad Bob Barr looks like a goober.
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I don't give a **** if he looked like Rocky Dennis - the cat is getting my vote.
To hell with the GOP and Democrats.
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09-15-2008, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by The Great Danton
I support this message.
Voting Libertarian this election, on principle more than supporting Bob Barr.
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 Here is my stand on government at the base level.
Get the **** out of my life and my wallet. If I need you, I'll call 911.
The Libertarian Party comes closest to meeting my platform.
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"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are." - H.L. Mencken, 1949.
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09-15-2008, 09:44 PM
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People say that voting for a third party is throwing away your vote. I say voting for a Republican or Democrat is throwing away your vote sense they are the same.
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09-15-2008, 09:58 PM
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I support this message.
Voting Libertarian this election, on principle more than supporting Bob Barr.
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Serious question: during our discussions during the primaries didn't you dislike Ron Paul?
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09-22-2008, 02:10 PM
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 #23 Javon Ringer
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Bump since our national debt moved up to $11Trillion.
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The difference between Republican politicans and Democratic politicians is the difference between glazed and powdered donuts.
The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming!
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10-04-2008, 12:01 PM
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Voting 3rd party is not a waste. It is an investment in the betterment of ALL of our lives!
You have one month to feel the coming economic pain and come to the conclusion that its cause is because of all the out of touch Republicans AND Democrats we have let breed in our political climate.
Remember the MSM is not your friend. All they want is to hype the "2 party Drama" finger pointing to increase their viewership and make money.
You, and only you, have the power to do what is best for our country.
I have always believed competition to be a good thing.
Right now, every 4 years we have a choice between Burger King and McDonalds. Do you really want to eat that **** the rest of your lives?
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The difference between Republican politicans and Democratic politicians is the difference between glazed and powdered donuts.
The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming!
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10-04-2008, 02:52 PM
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The only way that a third party breaks through is with lots and lots of money. Unfortunately, the people who have the money and the inclination to bankroll something like that tend to be a bit nutty - like Ross Perot.
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isn't that sad. You're basically admitting we have no democracy.
I tend to think if people at the grass roots level just let go of their worthless party associations and vote any 3rd party that 3rd party candidates can become viable.
the main problem is convincing people that they need to do this and too many ppl accept the status quo and don't care if they actually have no choices....because they are doing OK and really "screw everyone else"
i think it takes a disaster like we're seeing now to get people motivated enough to bypass the 2 party tyranny. Look at the bailout plan, both candidates voted for it. Look at the issue of globalization, both candidates say "we need to train" (which is bull****), look at 99% of their policies and they are IDENTICAL. And in many instances are contrary to the public's interests
I always said all 3rd partys need to get together and gang up on the 2 party tyranny. Crank out T-shirts that say "Vote 3rd Party". Fight like crazy to get local Instant Runoff Balloting in every city and state election.
If you look at the gov't, like the bailout on the floor, it's set up as if the Dems and Reps are constitutional institutions. As if they were no different than the president and congress. You see dems on one side, reps on the other. When did this morphing take place? When did Congress become controlled like this?
It's like the communist party in Russia, the only way you could get elected is be in that party. Are we really any different?
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11-03-2008, 01:54 AM
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Time is short. McCain doesnt have a chance in Michigan. I know you republicans arent in full support of your candidate, the VP candidate and the garbage that Bush handed you.
Vote for an independent candidate and legitmize your conservatism.
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The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming, The Amero is coming!
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11-03-2008, 03:26 AM
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Already voted libertarian
The Pubs and Dems aren't addressing the major issues facing this country right now, so why should they get a free pass?
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11-03-2008, 03:42 AM
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gotta love Nader
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