DOW UP 40 POINTS IN PAST MONTH... UP 18% PAST 5 YEARS... UP 44% PAST 10 YEARS.

[spartyonbeale]

GOD Bless the Bush years!!!!

[PRStoetzer]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

GOD Bless the Bush years!!!!

[spartyonbeale]

4sure....where are all the liberals. They sure went nuts on Monday and Tuesday...when EMOTIONS where high...but FACTS destroy liberal arguments.

This is just another example...

[Rashomon]

jeebus, you guys just don't learn.

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

4sure....where are all the liberals. They sure went nuts on Monday and Tuesday...when EMOTIONS where high...but FACTS destroy liberal arguments.

This is just another example...

so you see massive government influence in the "free" market as a win for the conservatives?

[spartyonbeale]

Originally Posted by Rashomon

jeebus, you guys just don't learn.

what? that's it? amazing argument....


I think my black lab could hit random keys for 20 mins and do better

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

what? that's it? amazing argument....


I think my black lab could hit random keys for 20 mins and do better

It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact. That you, a conservative, are coming here now and declaring some kind of victory just tells me you have NO idea what has been taking place and what just took place.

[spartyonbeale]

Originally Posted by Rashomon

so you see massive government influence in the "free" market as a win for the conservatives?

No...I think the bale outs are a joke...let the banks DIE.

Look at the OVERALL picture. In the long run Bush's policies did America right...driving the stock market, free trade and personal economic freedom. All good things.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

No...I think the bale outs are a joke...let the banks DIE.

Look at the OVERALL picture. In the long run Bush's policies did America right...driving the stock market, free trade and personal economic freedom. All good things.

I have to believe you're just trolling for a reaction. No way you're serious.

We are now all socialists.

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

In the long run Bush's policies did America right..

Yeah, as long as you ignore the fact that we nearly faced a new depression. And that's assuming we are out of the woods..

Your analysis really needs work.

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by Jack78

I have to believe you're just trolling for a reaction. No way you're serious.

We are now all socialists.

gotta be

[Negotiator]

Can someone revise those numbers for inflation?

[RH Spartan]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

4sure....where are all the liberals. They sure went nuts on Monday and Tuesday...when EMOTIONS where high...but FACTS destroy liberal arguments.

This is just another example...

44% in 10 years? You probably would have been better off with money in an ING Direct (which is FDIC insured). You certainly would have been better off with Treasury Bonds. That isn't good. That isn't good at all........

[Last Post]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

GOD Bless the Bush years!!!!

Yeah but Bush started in 1/00? Right?

Dow on that 12/99 closed at 11,542.51. Today it was 11,388.44

So the dow actually went up MORE than 44% under Clinton, then plummeted around 180 pts untill today.

That's really god awful. 8 years and the dow is LOWER! It's kind of like Real Estate under Bush.

And I wouldn't get too giddy.

"Companies Are Worse Than You Think," Says Icahn - Rapid Recap - CNBC.com

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by RH Spartan

44% in 10 years? You probably would have been better off with money in an ING Direct (which is FDIC insured). You certainly would have been better off with Treasury Bonds. That isn't good. That isn't good at all........

He was praising bush, yet claims growth during clinton years. Two days ago the DOW was at virtually the identical value as when bush took office 1-20-2001. That means no growth at all over 7.5+ years. Pathetic.

[RH Spartan]

Originally Posted by Jack78

He was praising bush, yet claims growth during clinton years. Two days ago the DOW was at virtually the identical value as when bush took office 1-20-2001. That means no growth at all over 7.5+ years. Pathetic.

I know, but my point was that even cherry picking the time period <4% annual growth over that long a time period is not good. You could invest risk free and earn the same return.

(PS - As a finance and economics guy, I really hate when people quote the DJIA, it is such an arcane measure)

EDIT: And anyone who thinks that a 44% return over ten years on equity investments is a good return should immediately hire a financial analyst and turn all fiduciary decisions over to him/her.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by RH Spartan

I know, but my point was that even cherry picking the time period <4% annual growth over that long a time period is not good. You could invest risk free and earn the same return.

(PS - As a finance and economics guy, I really hate when people quote the DJIA, it is such an arcane measure)

Right. Just a bit over 3.7%/year. Most use S&P. Dividend income adds, what, 2-3%, right? The dividend part is all investors accrued during bush years.

[spartyonbeale]

Originally Posted by Last Post

Yeah but Bush started in 1/00? Right?

Dow on that 12/99 closed at 11,542.51. Today it was 11,388.44

So the dow actually went up MORE than 44% under Clinton, then plummeted around 180 pts untill today.

That's really god awful. 8 years and the dow is LOWER! It's kind of like Real Estate under Bush.

And I wouldn't get too giddy.

"Companies Are Worse Than You Think," Says Icahn - Rapid Recap - CNBC.com

Nope...didn't read past your first FACT....Bush wasn't President on 1.00.00....

Get your facts right then POST...

[InTenSity]

Ok, lemme get this right. The right calls for less government, and the markets were supposed to prosper under less government regulation.

The dow rebounds under word that the government is going to bail them out? I don't get it, the right says that the government needs to be smaller and out of the way of business and then the markets react when the government is saying it is going to bail them out. WTF? Why is the gov't suddenly the savior? I thought they got in the way of free markets? Why is there suddenly enough faith in the gov't to make this rebound? Where is this money coming from? Am I now an indentured servant to the ****ing CEO's who ****ed this up?

Honestly I don't get it, and again I don't give a **** about which side presents their side. But for the last 8 years it is, get the gov't out of the way of business and more into the private sector. But then bad investments are made and free markets no longer exist? Oh and I don't want to hear the BS about all the people who couldn't actually afford the houses they thought htey could buy, cuz there is always a salesman on the other side pushing for that commission check. That is both sides fault and if ARM's weren't explained outright to most of these people, whose fault is that? GDI, WTF is wrong with making only 50 million dollars? Why the hell do you need to push the envelope and make 300 million? Those are arbitrary numbers, but did greed take over or what?

BTW I'm very uninformed, but if this is how unregulated free markets work, they are no better than communism, there is always a human element involved that makes theories suck.

[GRR Spartan]

Only beale would see positives in a market that required the largest government bailout even seen.

[spartyonbeale]

Originally Posted by Rashomon

Yeah, as long as you ignore the fact that we nearly faced a new depression. And that's assuming we are out of the woods..

Your analysis really needs work.

The fact you use the word "Depression" is really sad. It really plays down the fact that million of Americans were relocated, had no true income and had to fight massive inflation through the 30s...

[wrigleyville spartan]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

Nope...didn't read past your first FACT....Bush wasn't President on 1.00.00....

Get your facts right then POST...

Uhh its you that need the fact checking. When Clinton took over the DOW was 3,000 and roughly closed what around 10,800 when he left.

With Bush we are FLAT, with a Trillion Dollars of Tax Payer money to keep us there.

Your an embarrasment and a partisan hack. Get your head out of the sand and realize what Bush has "Done to the Free Market".

-WS

[InTenSity]

Originally Posted by spartyonbeale

The fact you use the word "Depression" is really sad. It really plays down the fact that million of Americans were relocated, had no true income and had to fight massive inflation through the 30s...

Is circular logic something that Rush teaches in a private forum? OMG he mentioned depression in a post, lets mention the 30's. Have you been around for the last 6 weeks? Your argument has nothing to do with his post, am I witnessing schizophrenia?

[spartyonbeale]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

Only beale would see positives in a market that required the largest government bailout even seen.

And only a GRR would see the downside to the market going UP....