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10-07-2008, 02:39 PM
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As someone who has devoted a ton of hours to the Obama campaign since January, I'm gonna say something that not a lot of people will want to say or hear.
God forbid something awful happens to Obama after he wins in November, there would be some blood on Mccain/Palin's hands.
When one of your supporters yells, in clear ear shot, in clear English, "HE'S A TERRORIST!" you don't just chuckle and brush it off. You have to have the presence of mind to denounce such talk, or at very least, mention it to someone in the media so that Americans know that you don't condone such talk. However, as shown by his recent strategy, it is clear where John Mccain stands.
The other incidents that have already been discussed here in Wells are also worrisome, to me. I feel like the recent tactics are designed to bring the bigots of the GOP out of the woodwork, and could potentially motivate a nutjob to take action. If Mccain still had an ounce of decency, he wouldn't be employing this whole new "Obama is a terrorist" strategy.
**** John Mccain and Sarah Palin.
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Your guy has called the Clintons racist and now Palin. Obama started his political life at this guys house. Spent plenty of time with radicals and now just plays race when confronted. If ANY republican had ties like these guys you would be coming out with pitchforks. The name calling for 8 yrs from the left is too much. I'm a registered Democrat that will not vote for your guy BECAUSE of his associates and socialist ties.
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10-07-2008, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by spacemaker2
Your guy has called the Clintons racist and now Palin. Obama started his political life at this guys house. Spent plenty of time with radicals and now just plays race when confronted. If ANY republican had ties like these guys you would be coming out with pitchforks. The name calling for 8 yrs from the left is too much. I'm a registered Democrat that will not vote for your guy BECAUSE of his associates and socialist ties.
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You are so sadly misinformed its pathetic. As for your Democratic Party registration, my guess is you have just been too f'in lazy to get your status changed.
As for the campaign, I don't believe McCain and Palin are racists, just their desperate tactics.
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10-07-2008, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by spacemaker2
Your guy has called the Clintons racist and now Palin. Obama started his political life at this guys house. Spent plenty of time with radicals and now just plays race when confronted. If ANY republican had ties like these guys you would be coming out with pitchforks. The name calling for 8 yrs from the left is too much. I'm a registered Democrat that will not vote for your guy BECAUSE of his associates and socialist ties.
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Ronald Reagan was a radical.
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10-07-2008, 03:10 PM
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McCain/Palin are going to get these idiots so worked up that when Obama does become president, one of them will kill him.
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10-07-2008, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spacemaker2
Your guy has called the Clintons racist and now Palin. Obama started his political life at this guys house. Spent plenty of time with radicals and now just plays race when confronted. If ANY republican had ties like these guys you would be coming out with pitchforks. The name calling for 8 yrs from the left is too much. I'm a registered Democrat that will not vote for your guy BECAUSE of his associates and socialist ties.
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Ironic that the post just before yours did just that, minus the pitchforks. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts regarding G. Gordon Liddy and McCain.
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10-07-2008, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LA_Spartan
How 'bout we talk about McCain's relationship with G. Gordon Liddy. Liddy masterminded an effort to completely undermine our electoral process and our democracy. He also said the following in 1994: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of *******."
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Libby claims to have been taken grossly out of context.
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John Hawkins: Changing directions here, one of the things that people who try to discredit you often bring up is your comment back in 1994, "If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head." What prompted that comment and other similar ones and do you regret giving a caller that advice? G. Gordon Liddy: Well, no. Because as usual, people remember part of what I said, but not all of what I said. What I did was restate the law. I was talking about a situation in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes smashing into a house, doesn't say who they are, and their guns are out, they're shooting, and they're in the wrong place. This has happened time and time again. The ATF has gone in and gotten the wrong guy in the wrong place. The law is that if somebody is shooting at you, using deadly force, the mere fact that they are a law enforcement officer, if they are in the wrong, does not mean you are obliged to allow yourself to be killed so your kinfolk can have a wrongful death action. You are legally entitled to defend yourself and I was speaking of exactly those kind of situations. If you're going to do that, you should know that they're wearing body armor so you should use a head shot. Now all I'm doing is stating the law, but all the nuances in there got left out when the story got repeated.
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All those ATF guys will be safe when 0bama is President, though, since nobody will have guns.
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10-07-2008, 04:09 PM
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Ironic that the post just before yours did just that, minus the pitchforks. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts regarding G. Gordon Liddy and McCain.
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I like Liddy more than I like McCain.
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10-07-2008, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by spacemaker2
Your guy has called the Clintons racist and now Palin. Obama started his political life at this guys house. Spent plenty of time with radicals and now just plays race when confronted. If ANY republican had ties like these guys you would be coming out with pitchforks. The name calling for 8 yrs from the left is too much. I'm a registered Democrat that will not vote for your guy BECAUSE of his associates and socialist ties.
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How about McCain's ties to these guys?
McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra affair
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama has his William Ayers connection. Now John McCain may have an Iran-Contra connection. In the 1980s, McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.
The U.S. Council for World Freedom aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization's tax exemption.
The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. After setting up the U.S. council, Singlaub served as the international league's chairman.
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10-07-2008, 05:07 PM
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Good thing there have never been any racist Democrats....oh, wait....
"You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking."
-Senator Joe Biden
Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."
-Senator Hillary Clinton
"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
-- Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)
"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"
-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers
(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee
"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage
"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd
"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, "Inside The White House"
"You *****ing Jew b@stard."
-- Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray. This was revealed in "State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton" and has been verified by Paul Fray and three witnesses
"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time."
-- Former Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate" in March of 2001
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10-07-2008, 05:25 PM
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All those ATF guys will be safe when 0bama is President, though, since nobody will have guns. 
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Washington Wire - WSJ.com : Obama: 'I'm Not Going to Take Your Guns Away'
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“If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it,’’ Obama said. But the Illinois senator could still see skeptics in the crowd, particularly on the faces of several men at the back of the room.
So he tried again. “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns.’’
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10-07-2008, 05:35 PM
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10-07-2008, 05:36 PM
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I totally agree. It is unamerican what they are doing. Essentially telling everyone to be afraid if Obama is elected.
Why anyone would believe anything that comes out of Sally Palin's mouth is beyond me - but she acts like she is somehow one of the choosen few to lead us and that elceting anyone else will destroy the country.
They are scary people.
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Why dont you ask the family of Jack Ryan about dirty tricks and slime. Barry's slung lots of mud in the past, and will do the same again. He learned it from the best.
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10-07-2008, 06:48 PM
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Why dont you ask the family of Jack Ryan about dirty tricks and slime. Barry's slung lots of mud in the past, and will do the same again. He learned it from the best. 
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10-07-2008, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GRR Spartan
lowest common denominator politics have served the GOP well for nearly 30 years.
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What a crock of ****. The Dems have played the race card and other bull**** versions of identitiy politics just as much, if not more, than the GOP over the past 30 years.
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10-07-2008, 07:21 PM
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What a crock of ****. The Dems have played the race card and other bull**** versions of identitiy politics just as much, if not more, than the GOP over the past 30 years.
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Yes, all those damn Democratic Negro presidents did it all the time. 
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10-07-2008, 07:23 PM
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What a crock of ****. The Dems have played the race card and other bull**** versions of identitiy politics just as much, if not more, than the GOP over the past 30 years.
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How delusional can you be? Why are you so afraid of black people? They are Americans too.
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Yes, all those damn Democratic Negro presidents did it all the time.  
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10-07-2008, 07:26 PM
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Yes, all those damn Democratic Negro presidents did it all the time.  
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Not sure what your point is. Are you actually claiming that the Dems aren't masters of racial fearmongering?
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10-07-2008, 07:30 PM
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Not sure what your point is. Are you actually claiming that the Dems aren't masters of racial fearmongering?
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That would be the current Republicans who were once southern Dems.
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10-07-2008, 07:31 PM
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How delusional can you be? Why are you so afraid of black people? They are Americans too.

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Please explain how my commentary would demonstrate that I am "so afraid of black people"?
I responded to an idiotic statement inferring that the GOP has a monopoly on racial fearmongering. The Dems play the race card just as often, and in some cases, better, than the GOP. So get off your PC high horse and accept reality.
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10-07-2008, 07:32 PM
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fear fear fear
culture of fear we have here, folks
fear is what has kept bush in office for 8 years; my goodness, i still can't fathom that
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10-07-2008, 07:34 PM
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Please explain how my commentary would demonstrate that I am "so afraid of black people"?
I responded to an idiotic statement inferring that the GOP has a monopoly on racial fearmongering. The Dems play the race card just as often, and in some cases, better, than the GOP. So get off your PC high horse and accept reality.
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I'm sorry if I'm getting uppity with you.
Your defensiveness is clear evidence of bigotry.
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10-07-2008, 07:36 PM
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That would be the current Republicans who were once southern Dems.
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No. Bill Clinton and cronies. Al Gore. John Kerry.
You think these guys didn't push a racial agenda based on fear to black voters?
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