McCain poised to win

[Redwingenator]

Originally Posted by Misterray

Ah the spin and cherry-picking is awesome.

Last July, ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State. Seven ACORN workers had submitted nearly 2,000 bogus voter registration forms. According to case records, they flipped through phone books for names to use on the forms. ACORN has been implicated in similar voter fraud schemes in Missouri, Ohio and at least 12 other states.

These are facts - no spin

A few conservative voices in Congress have called for investigation of ACORN’s practices. This week, GOP Reps. Tom Feeney, Jeb Hensarling and Ed Royce called on Democrat Barney Frank, chair of the House Financial Services Committee, to convene a hearing to probe potential illegalities and abuse of taxpayer funds by ACORN’s management.

Spin was removed - Facts only

[FishHead]

Originally Posted by Misterray

Whenever this is done, you simply run away from the thread and hide. (see recent Palin 1st amendment gaffe) So no, I won't waste my time or energy.

Look into it yourself or eff off. I really don't care which.

I was banned during that, any other ducks and dodges???

[The Earl of Pimpwich]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

Last July, ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State. Seven ACORN workers had submitted nearly 2,000 bogus voter registration forms. According to case records, they flipped through phone books for names to use on the forms. ACORN has been implicated in similar voter fraud schemes in Missouri, Ohio and at least 12 other states.

Republicans have largely looked the other way as ACORN has expanded its government-funded empire. But finally, a few conservative voices in Congress have called for investigation of the group’s apparent extortion schemes. This week, GOP Reps. Tom Feeney, Jeb Hensarling and Ed Royce called on Democrat Barney Frank, chair of the House Financial Services Committee, to convene a hearing to probe potential illegalities and abuse of taxpayer funds by ACORN’s management and minions alike.

There is nothing in this post that suggests any voter fraud took place. And there is nothing in any of the ACORN news that I have heard that points to voter fraud. I'm interested to see links that suggest otherwise.

[Misterray]

Quote:

Last July, ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State. Seven ACORN workers had submitted nearly 2,000 bogus voter registration forms. According to case records, they flipped through phone books for names to use on the forms. ACORN has been implicated in similar voter fraud schemes in Missouri, Ohio and at least 12 other states.

Yep, Acorn was defrauded by some workers who used improper methods.

Quote:

A few conservative voices in Congress have called for investigation of ACORN’s practices. This week, GOP Reps. Tom Feeney, Jeb Hensarling and Ed Royce called on Democrat Barney Frank, chair of the House Financial Services Committee, to convene a hearing to probe potential illegalities and abuse of taxpayer funds by ACORN’s management.

Yep, some republicans would like to launch an investigation.

Shall we now discuss convicted GOP voter fraud criminals?

[Misterray]

Originally Posted by FishHead

I was banned during that, any other ducks and dodges???

Repeat: Look into it yourself or eff off. I really don't care which.

edit: Oh and I assume that you now acknowledge that you were a complete idiot in that thread and were comprehensively owned.

[caspper69]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

These are facts - no spin


Spin was removed - Facts only

No, they're not facts.

ACORN's rep was convicted of VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD.

There has been ZERO evidence by the GOP that A SINGLE FRAUDULENT VOTE HAS BEEN CAST.

Those are facts, no spin. And believe me, if the GOP had evidence of actual fraudulent votes, you'd have already heard about it.

But thanks for playing

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

Interesting article. McCain will lose the popular vote, but he does have a chance to pull off the electoral votes. Republicans on the west coast won't make the same mistake this time as they did when they saw the exit polls showing Kerry with a solid lead in Florida and hence gave up and didn't vote.

I'm very curious to see what happens with all the voter fraud associated with ACORN. How hard would it be to get a group of ACORN supporters running a voting station with a list of recently registered fake voters and spend they day stuffing the ballot box?

You mean those suddenly and mysteriously horrendously inaccurate exit polls that had Kerry leading in many other states besides Florida, like Virginia where he ended up getting trounced?

[Redwingenator]

Originally Posted by caspper69

No, they're not facts.

ACORN's rep was convicted of VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD.

There has been ZERO evidence by the GOP that A SINGLE FRAUDULENT VOTE HAS BEEN CAST.

Those are facts, no spin. And believe me, if the GOP had evidence of actual fraudulent votes, you'd have already heard about it.

But thanks for playing

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the first step in the voting process registering to vote? I would consider an attempt to register considerable numbers of fake voters the first step in attempting to cast fake ballots.

[spacemaker2]

There have been cases of voter fraud that Acorn has been very close to. There are many things that are close to wrong. As a card holding Democrat I would like MY party to not whine so much and get back to the beliefs of John Kennedy and not George Soros. If that makes me turn Republican I guess that will be the direction I'll head. This needs to be the election that stops the name calling. So far I do not think it will stop but we can hope. If Obama does move toward socialism or maxism like many of his stated policies seem to show I'll be running for office next time against the Dem.

[IGGcitable]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

Black Panthers Block GOP Access to Philadelphia Poll
Breitbart.tv » Fox News: Black Panthers Block GOP Access to Philadelphia Poll

OH NOES

big black thugs are mugging white women at ATM machines




it had to happen

[spacemaker2]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

There is nothing in this post that suggests any voter fraud took place. And there is nothing in any of the ACORN news that I have heard that points to voter fraud. I'm interested to see links that suggest otherwise.

Look at New Mexico in 2000, There were many dead indians that voted for Kerry. The only reason no one I know was not prosecuted is there was no proof which ACORN worker was the one that wrongly signed the dead guys up to vote. Just because you think the repubs have done something and you can't prove it why do you think it is OK for the Demms to actually cheat to win. If the other side does something Illegal try and convict them. If not STFU

[spacemaker2]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the first step in the voting process registering to vote? I would consider an attempt to register considerable numbers of fake voters the first step in attempting to cast fake ballots.

I have the list of actual fraud they have been found guilty of at home. Some of us do have jobs. If you would like, I'll play along an post them when I get home.

[DITKA ®]

Originally Posted by Otterhound

Wow, what a serious intellectual post. It added so much more substance to the thread.

When idiots attack. Pot meet kettle.

[irishmick79]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the first step in the voting process registering to vote? I would consider an attempt to register considerable numbers of fake voters the first step in attempting to cast fake ballots.

When you can demonstrate that ACORN was engaged in a systematic program to register fake voters in order to cast fradulent ballots, then you're onto something. The FBI hasn't found anything yet, and ACORN has openly cooperated with investigations into alleged wrongdoing, so right now the evidence to support this conclusion is thin. Granted, if the FBI or somebody else uncovers something, that would change things.

ACORN was stupid and decided to pay its people by the number of registration cards submitted. To me, this would suggest it's more likely that ACORN reps were trying to make a quick and easy buck by submitting false voter registrations. It's a dumb way to structure a voter registration drive on ACORN's part, and they're paying the price with their reputation.

If ACORN was engaging in a more strident effort to deny wrongdoing and stifle investigations, obstruct ongoing investigations, drag out the processes as long as possible, then I would be more suspicious of the former charge. But since they appear to have done everything they can to cooperate with state and federal investigations, I'm more inclined to accept the latter explanation for now.

[caspper69]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the first step in the voting process registering to vote? I would consider an attempt to register considerable numbers of fake voters the first step in attempting to cast fake ballots.

You are correct, but there's some very large obstacles.

If you register by mail (which is essentially what you're doing when ACORN registers you), you must either show up in person with identification in order to cast an absentee ballot, or you must show up in person with id to vote.

If you cannot show up in person, then you MUST submit documentation that you are a student who is going to be a certain distance away from your polling place during the election, or you must prove that you are in active military service.

These are the rules that prevent fraudulent registrations from becoming fraudulent votes.

True voter fraud occurs at a much higher level than ACORN. Ballot stuffing, erasing or otherwise manipulating tallies that have no paper trail, or simply keeping people from voting (like the GOP does-- tells people that if they have had a traffic ticket, they're not eligible to vote; telling people they can vote by phone; telling people the wrong day of the election; telling people that they will be verified against warrant databases when they vote; etc.)

There has to be a solution, but if there is, we haven't found one yet.

[The Earl of Pimpwich]

Originally Posted by spacemaker2

Look at New Mexico in 2000, There were many dead indians that voted for Kerry. The only reason no one I know was not prosecuted is there was no proof which ACORN worker was the one that wrongly signed the dead guys up to vote. Just because you think the repubs have done something and you can't prove it why do you think it is OK for the Demms to actually cheat to win. If the other side does something Illegal try and convict them. If not STFU

I don't want any voter fraud from either party. The fact that I've heard people suggest they will commit voter fraud in Minnesota, leads me to support the elimination of election day voter registration in this state.

What we are discussing here is voter registration fraud which is way different than voter fraud.

I'm interested in links to cases of voter fraud, and will read them in all seriousness, as I've read cases of voter suppression in the past few elections. It was a serious request.

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by LoneWolfSparty®

Solid.

This thread is one big conservative paranoia bunker.

[Gnossos]

Originally Posted by FishHead

Oh for the love of God, you could not be more wrong, lets see Obama funded ****ing ACORN, ACORN got votes for dem's only, helped them out dip****, ACORN fraud was signing up people that didn't exist, or whose name, SSN and address didn't agree with their records.

Keep smoking the Obama poll bud....

You truly are a moron. Any conservative with a brain knows there is little if any actual voter fraud regardless of dumb-ass Acorn workers cheating on registrations.

Try actually educating yourself on something.

[SpartyOnInChitown]

Let's be honest here. This is not just a 2008 issue. For several years (including this one) there have been problems with voter registration fraud, voter fraud and various problems with the technology, hanging chads, provisional ballots, etc. Regardless of who gets elected, this **** has to stop and there's a lot of fixing that needs to be done on the system.

[Gnossos]

Originally Posted by spacemaker2

There have been cases of voter fraud that Acorn has been very close to. There are many things that are close to wrong. As a card holding Democrat I would like MY party to not whine so much and get back to the beliefs of John Kennedy and not George Soros. If that makes me turn Republican I guess that will be the direction I'll head. This needs to be the election that stops the name calling. So far I do not think it will stop but we can hope. If Obama does move toward socialism or maxism like many of his stated policies seem to show I'll be running for office next time against the Dem.

Newsflash! We already have socialism. Try picking up a book occasionally and maybe even looking past your nose.

I certainly look forward to voting for you.

[MSU '73]

BUMP.

Righty morons wrong again. Gee, what a surprise.

[teamdiscoverychannel]

i declare this thread . . .

FAIL