Economy, Jobs Trump All Other Policy Priorities In 2009

[TrapperGus]

Latest from PEW.

Overview: Economy, Jobs Trump All Other Policy Priorities In 2009

Intersting that the Blues like tax cuts more than the Reds...WTF

By contrast, a partisan gap has emerged this year over reducing middle-class taxes. At the start of 2008, roughly half of both Democrats (50%) and Republicans (46%) rated this as a top priority. Today, just 31% of Republicans say middle class tax cuts are a top priority, compared with 48% of Democrats.

In other bad news for the Reds...

Dems’ Favorability Advantage Widens

Pew Research Center: Dems’ Favorability Advantage Widens

The current Democratic favorability advantage is the largest measured in nearly two decades. The widening gap is primarily a result of an increase in favorable views of the Democratic Party since the election, up from 57% in late October 2008. In December 1994, following the Republican takeover in Congress, the GOP held a 17-point advantage, that party's largest. Two-thirds (67%) said they had a positive opinion of the Republican Party and 50% had a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party after the 1994 election.

[danb]

Your thread title has absolutely no correlation to tMessiah's Porkulus bill.

[TrapperGus]

Originally Posted by danb

Your thread title has absolutely no correlation to tMessiah's Porkulus bill.

Sometimes it is better to take longer term view of life than the current passing parade.

[danb]

Originally Posted by TrapperGus

Sometimes it is better to take longer term view of life than the current passing parade.

Yes. When you permanently raise discretionary spending 80% in one year and call it stimulus, it is Orwellian doublespeak.

[TrapperGus]

Originally Posted by danb

Yes. When you permanently raise discretionary spending 80% in one year and call it stimulus, it is Orwellian doublespeak.

The first though is that they have learned that from the Reds (Republicians are now going to be called Reds), then the thought was that all spending is discretionary so the use of that term is also doublespeak and finally the question of if this spending is a stimlus really can be done without stimulating the economy as is implied by suggesting that it is not a stimulus package seems to be even more doublespeak...to the point that the total post looks to be nothing than Red thinking based doublespeak leading to the conclusion that it was meant as a joke. Very good joke, peole will laugh a lot

[danb]

Originally Posted by TrapperGus

The first though is that they have learned that from the Reds (Republicians are now going to be called Reds), then the thought was that all spending is discretionary so the use of that term is also doublespeak and finally the question of if this spending is a stimlus really can be done without stimulating the economy as is implied by suggesting that it is not a stimulus package seems to be even more doublespeak...to the point that the total post looks to be nothing than Red thinking based doublespeak leading to the conclusion that it was meant as a joke. Very good joke, peole will laugh a lot

Say that again? and type slower.

[TrapperGus]

Originally Posted by danb

Say that again? and type slower.

Everyone can understand that and if typing s l o w e r will work then it took 10 minutes to type it...

[TrapperGus]

Administration Watch
The latest survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press finds a highly positive public reaction to President-elect Obama's appointments and his overall handling of the transition. More than seven-in-ten (70%) approve of the job Obama has done in explaining his policies to the American people while nearly as many (66%) approve of his cabinet selections. At 79%, Barack Obama's favorability rating is much higher than those of his predecessors just before they were sworn in.

This is also interesting...so far Obama doesn't make very many political mistakes.

[ninowesco]

I wish bush didn't screw up our country so bad

[Compound]

How are those jobs working out for you so far Trapper? Obama's policies are doing a bang up job on that so far

[Zakath]

Isn't it interesting that 10 months later, the economy and jobs were totally ignored (unless you think the Porkulus Bill had anything to do with creating jobs) in favor of the government granting itself more power in the name of ****ing up our already ****ed up health care system?

[TrapperGus]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/bu....html?_r=1&hpw

Well most economists agree that there would have been more job loss without the stimulas. Most also agree that due to the Reds politicing that it wasn't large enough nor did it focus enough of job creation.

[Compound]

Originally Posted by TrapperGus

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/bu....html?_r=1&hpw

Well most economists agree that there would have been more job loss without the stimulas. Most also agree that due to the Reds politicing that it wasn't large enough nor did it focus enough of job creation.

This must be why unemployment is 2% higher than the worst Obama forcasted.

[WixomSpartan]

Originally Posted by Zakath

Isn't it interesting that 10 months later, the economy and jobs were totally ignored (unless you think the Porkulus Bill had anything to do with creating jobs) in favor of the government granting itself more power in the name of ****ing up our already ****ed up health care system?

Also interesting how much attention Global Warming has gotten this year, despite occupying the bottom rung of that survey. 15% below 'Moral Decline'

[TrapperGus]

Originally Posted by Compound

This must be why unemployment is 2% higher than the worst Obama forcasted.

Well not to put to fine a point on it but President Obama didn't make any forcasts, economists did that, and since the situation was beyond the point where their models are linear their forcasts were on the low side.

What this has to do with the fact that economists agree that the stimulas made things better than they would have been without the stimulas...but then the facts and Red opinion are usually very far apart.

[Compound]

Originally Posted by TrapperGus

Well not to put to fine a point on it but President Obama didn't make any forcasts, economists did that, and since the situation was beyond the point where their models are linear their forcasts were on the low side.

What this has to do with the fact that economists agree that the stimulas made things better than they would have been without the stimulas...but then the facts and Red opinion are usually very far apart.

Just because you found some column where they say economists agree the stimulus made things better does not make it true. The stimulus did not make things better at all. Even Obama has basically said that the stimulus hasn't done much.

The stimulus is also going to add to the inflation we're going to have in the coming years. And then you'll start crying about how we need more government intervention to fix it

[TrapperGus]

Originally Posted by Compound

Just because you found some column where they say economists agree the stimulus made things better does not make it true. The stimulus did not make things better at all. Even Obama has basically said that the stimulus hasn't done much.

The stimulus is also going to add to the inflation we're going to have in the coming years. And then you'll start crying about how we need more government intervention to fix it

Just because you think that President Obama said what you said he said doesn't mean that you haven't taken it out of context or misunderstood what he said. Go ahead and find a general media article (not Fox or any other Merdock owned media please) that says that most economists say the stimulas has done nothing.

Otherwise admit that economists in general believe that the stimulas has had an positive effect and that the one problem is that it was too focused on tax cuts instead of spending on governement jobs and the other problem is that it was too small.

[Compound]

Originally Posted by TrapperGus

Just because you think that President Obama said what you said he said doesn't mean that you haven't taken it out of context or misunderstood what he said. Go ahead and find a general media article (not Fox or any other Merdock owned media please) that says that most economists say the stimulas has done nothing.

Otherwise admit that economists in general believe that the stimulas has had an positive effect and that the one problem is that it was too focused on tax cuts instead of spending on governement jobs and the other problem is that it was too small.

No, I will not admit that because I don't think most economists believe the stimulus has been helpful. Maybe the far left loons in your far left New York Times believe that, but it's pretty obvious to anyone with even a basic understanding of economics that the stimulus has been a disaster.

[TrapperGus]

Originally Posted by Compound

No, I will not admit that because I don't think most economists believe the stimulus has been helpful. Maybe the far left loons in your far left New York Times believe that, but it's pretty obvious to anyone with even a basic understanding of economics that the stimulus has been a disaster.

Okay you don't beleve but cannot provide evidence that economists think the way you do.

[tehfoiler]

The article cites

“There should have been more direct federal spending that would have added to aggregate demand,” he said. “Temporary tax cuts and one-time transfers to seniors were largely saved and didn’t stimulate spending.”

Basically that was the bulk of the stimulus, along with extending unemployment benefits. Why should we do another one when they screwed up the first one?

Whose fault is it that they didn't do it right the first time?

[Booyah]

Originally Posted by danb

Your thread title has absolutely no correlation to tMessiah's Porkulus bill.

Since when does a President write bills?

[Booyah]

Originally Posted by tehfoiler

The article cites



Basically that was the bulk of the stimulus, along with extending unemployment benefits. Why should we do another one when they screwed up the first one?

Whose fault is it that they didn't do it right the first time?

You do know that less than 30% of the stimulus has been spent? Why talk about a second one if 70% of the first one isn't out?

[tehfoiler]

You do know that less than 30% of the stimulus has been spent? Why talk about a second one if 70% of the first one isn't out?

Because people are already clamoring about a 2nd one? Whose fault was it to make the stimulus take so long to dole out the money?

[ninowesco]

I'm feeling pretty good about the economy these days

things seem to be good

what is everyone complaining about?

[Compound]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

I'm feeling pretty good about the economy these days

things seem to be good

what is everyone complaining about?

You must have missed the 10.2% unemployment, the deficit spiraling out of control, and world markets dumping the dollar because they fear we're spending out of control and won't be able to meet our obligations.