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Then it's your job as a parent to convey this to them. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's right or wrong. This is why laws are appealed and rewritten. There is no one true answer. But, if you feel so strongly about this, you should take the personal initiative to tell them about this. Allow them to make the right decision.
Now, I don't smoke but I believe the least amount of government intervention in my daily life, the better. If its someone's personal choice to smoke then I think they should be allowed to, just like I am allowed to choose to drink or not. What's "acceptable" or "not acceptable" is just a matter of dates. Prohibition is a great example of this. Simply my opinion.
Valid point about my own kid. I think I do have some degree of control over that situation. However, it takes a village... (I hate that phrase but it is true). Also, how many kids parents gave proper guidance against smoking cigarettes, and yet the kid does it anyway. It is harder when the stuff is available through regular legal avenues, and "all their friends, parents etc. do it." Despite the best efforts of parents, peers are a larger influence during adolescent years.
More importantly, I care about the rest of the nation too.
I agree with your view of least amount of government intervention. However, when health care is unfordable due to lung cancer from gonja, and welfare is at an even worse state than it is now due to all the chronics, I think government intervention is necessary. Not to mention other likely negative effects. Also, I believe it is a gateway drug. Make it legal and people will want whatever other taboo is out there, all the while smoking their legal dope.
As for your prohibition argument. This is different because we aren't taking something away. Less chance for enough revolt. Also, I would guess that there are less gonja smokers than alcohol drinkers (though this could change with legalization).
I think alcohol could be worse, but it is an evil that is here to stay (an evil that I admittedly enjoy). Why add another evil? When you way the pro's and con's of the value to society, this is a no brainer.
Here is a question. If you are high as hell driving and get pulled over, what is the test?
Do you have to be hauled off and submit to a blood test at the station?
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Also, I believe it is a gateway drug. Make it legal and people will want whatever other taboo is out there, all the while smoking their legal dope.
As someone who has smoked in the past, I can say without a doubt that alcohol is a much bigger gateway drug than marijuana. It's easier to acquire illegally. Chances are if someone is smoking pot, they probably have already drank underage.
They likely will take you to a medical facility and get blood via a warrant if you don't consent to a draw.
Also, what if you are the driver and not smoking, but get pulled over with some friends that are smoking? If you are a smoker odds are it will be in your system. The cop smells the weed, yet you aren't high, but he takes you in, gets your blood test and it comes back +. Now you are F'ed.
__________________ "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -Thomas Jefferson
Drink it up! SPARTAN PRIDE, NEVER DIES!!! Yes Virginia, there is a blue wall.
The day I root for SCu-m in anything is the day I turn in my card.
As someone who has smoked in the past, I can say without a doubt that alcohol is a much bigger gateway drug than marijuana. It's easier to acquire illegally. Chances are if someone is smoking pot, they probably have already drank underage.
Yep. In college I smoked as much as I drank. It would've been much harder to stop drinking than it was for me to stop smoking. I finished an 8th a few weeks before graduating and didn't touch it again. No huge urge to try again, no urge to try something new. Alcohol is far more dangerous and addictive. Far, far more.
I read that legal pot would cost half the price of what it is now, even with taxes factored in. And regarding the social aspect... alcohol is legal and far more dangerous. So what kind of "message" are we sending to the adolescents right now?
Yeah, this will end up in wells.
I just made up that tax thing. No idea if it is credible. Certainly the prohibition of alcohol and subsequent legalization says otherwise. I think it is quite possible out come even with cheaper pot prices. Because it would be regulated I'm sure the gov. wouldn't have the blue hair crap (or whatever qualifies as "good pot") anyway. Nevertheless, it is good to know that the gov. wants to also make it affordable.
Who said I thought we were sending a good message to our adolescents about alcohol? It is a horrible message and because it has been legalized, for the most part it is too late, or at least a huge uphill struggle to change it. So why go down that road with pot too?
Will your kids, kids will be advocating for legalized crack?
As someone who has smoked in the past, I can say without a doubt that alcohol is a much bigger gateway drug than marijuana. It's easier to acquire illegally. Chances are if someone is smoking pot, they probably have already drank underage.
Taxing it will just cause the people who currently smoke dope to keep buy it illegally (avoiding high taxes and Gov. control). Legalizing it will just tell our nation's adolescents that this is socially acceptable, if not encouraged. I would prefer my children grow up with out smoking dope.
Do we really need more dope smokers in the this world?
Well...that's a step in the right direction. I honestly do believe this would help the economy. I people who do smoke pot can get it legally and cheaper, and the Gov't can tax it, that's one bonus. And you hand out licenses to grow like a liquor license, where they have renew it yearly, and would potentially create more "agricultural" jobs. People to tend to the crops and people to reap it.
Valid point about my own kid. I think I do have some degree of control over that situation. However, it takes a village... (I hate that phrase but it is true). Also, how many kids parents gave proper guidance against smoking cigarettes, and yet the kid does it anyway. It is harder when the stuff is available through regular legal avenues, and "all their friends, parents etc. do it." Despite the best efforts of parents, peers are a larger influence during adolescent years.
More importantly, I care about the rest of the nation too.
I agree with your view of least amount of government intervention. However, when health care is unfordable due to lung cancer from gonja, and welfare is at an even worse state than it is now due to all the chronics, I think government intervention is necessary. Not to mention other likely negative effects. Also, I believe it is a gateway drug. Make it legal and people will want whatever other taboo is out there, all the while smoking their legal dope.
As for your prohibition argument. This is different because we aren't taking something away. Less chance for enough revolt. Also, I would guess that there are less gonja smokers than alcohol drinkers (though this could change with legalization).
I think alcohol could be worse, but it is an evil that is here to stay (an evil that I admittedly enjoy). Why add another evil? When you way the pro's and con's of the value to society, this is a no brainer.
There has never, ever been a proven ink between Marijuana and lung cancer. And believe all you want about it being a gateway drug, the real gateway drug is already legal, and if someone has a penchant for looking for a buzz, they're going to find it. The continuation of a failed policy of prohibition is downright silly if you actually look at the wasted tax dollars that go to enforcing this prohibition, and the amount of people who are in jails and prisons, also wasting tax dollars. It's ludicrous.
Also, why is it evil? Why would this be a "con" to society? No one has ever adequately explained why being able to smoke marijuana would be a detriment to our culture or to our society. It's a plant. Plants have neither the ability to evil or be good. It's a plant, no more, no less and what people choose to do with this plant is their own business.
Yep. In college I smoked as much as I drank. It would've been much harder to stop drinking than it was for me to stop smoking. I finished an 8th a few weeks before graduating and didn't touch it again. No huge urge to try again, no urge to try something new. Alcohol is far more dangerous and addictive. Far, far more.
People just seem to view alcohol in a different group altogether for some reason. Probably because it's regulated. Just because it's not illegal, doesn't mean it's somehow better for you. It's much much worse.
People just seem to view alcohol in a different group altogether for some reason. Probably because it's regulated. Just because it's not illegal, doesn't mean it's somehow better for you. It's much much worse.
My theory... People view it as different because they're addicted to it. We made alcohol illegal and people were killing themselves and others to get more. We make weed illegal and people are like "man, that sucks." That right there should be proof enough that alcohol is more dangerous
I just made up that tax thing. No idea if it is credible. Certainly the prohibition of alcohol and subsequent legalization says otherwise. I think it is quite possible out come even with cheaper pot prices. Because it would be regulated I'm sure the gov. wouldn't have the blue hair crap (or whatever qualifies as "good pot") anyway. Nevertheless, it is good to know that the gov. wants to also make it affordable.
Who said I thought we were sending a good message to our adolescents about alcohol? It is a horrible message and because it has been legalized, for the most part it is too late, or at least a huge uphill struggle to change it. So why go down that road with pot too?
Will your kids, kids will be advocating for legalized crack?
It's red or purple hairs, and the strain that the gov't actually has, known as G-13, is one of the most potent strains out there.
Also, why are you such a puritan and why does the thought of people (who aren't you) having fun, drinking and smoking pot bother you so much?
Oh, and spare me "it's all for the kids". It would be much easier to send a positive message about pot if it were legal and much easier to restrict the kids access to it if it were regulated properly. It was sooooo easy to get pot in my high-school it wasn't even funny. Much harder for the most part to get a case of beer or a bottle of liqour.
Ever see the movie Idocracy? Basically a comedy about how the dumbing down of America came to happen and how greed was going to bring about the end of the world. Silly movie, but the concept isn't that far off.
It's red or purple hairs, and the strain that the gov't actually has, known as G-13, is one of the most potent strains out there.
Also, why are you such a puritan and why does the thought of people (who aren't you) having fun, drinking and smoking pot bother you so much?
Oh, and spare me "it's all for the kids". It would be much easier to send a positive message about pot if it were legal and much easier to restrict the kids access to it if it were regulated properly. It was sooooo easy to get pot in my high-school it wasn't even funny. Much harder for the most part to get a case of beer or a bottle of liqour.
First of all, not a puritan. Not judging anyone, just talking about legalization of a drug. They only things I am worried about are 1) my kid (who isn't even born yet) 2) society as whole, because I have to live in it and it effects me.
The thought of people getting high, or drunk doesn't bother me. The thought of legalizing yet another drug that will likely have a detrimental effect on society concerns me... bothers?? that is a little off.
I knew someone was going to bring up the G-13. Even if the gov. did give you G-13 for non medical use (which isn't going to happen). I would be even more against it because not only would they legalize it, they would make it stronger??
Last edited by spartan1998; 03-10-2009 at 11:33 PM.
First of all, not a puritan. Not judging anyone, just talking about legalization of a drug. They only things I am worried about are 1) my kid (who isn't even born yet) 2) society as whole, because I have to live in it and it effects me.
The thought of people getting high, or drunk doesn't bother me. The thought of legalizing yet another drug that will likely have a detrimental effect on society concerns me... bothers?? that is a little off.
I knew someone was going to bring up the G-13. Even if the gov. did give you G-13 for non medical use (which isn't going to happen). I would be even more against it because not only would they legalize it, they would make it stronger??
I am pretty sure that people who already or have thought about smoking pot would take advantage of legalization. I know plenty of people that would not smoke pot because it is legal, and I know that they are not the only ones.
First of all, not a puritan. Not judging anyone, just talking about legalization of a drug. They only things I am worried about are 1) my kid (who isn't even born yet) 2) society as whole, because I have to live in it and it effects me.
The thought of people getting high, or drunk doesn't bother me. The thought of legalizing yet another drug that will likely have a detrimental effect on society concerns me... bothers?? that is a little off.
I knew someone was going to bring up the G-13. Even if the gov. did give you G-13 for non medical use (which isn't going to happen). I would be even more against it because not only would they legalize it, they would make it stronger??
You still have yet to answer why this would have a detrimental effect on society, something I asked in my first post. If that is your main reason why? Isn't it far more detrimental to our culture or society to keep it illegal? To keep arresting people for smoking a plant? To keep incarcerating people and wasting our tax dollars trying to enforce the unenforceable? The government learned its lesson with alcohol, that it was impossible to keep people from drinking. They have yet to apply this lesson to marijuana, but what is going on, the discussion of legalization is very very healthy.
It seems to me that making everyone who gets caught with a plant get a criminal record is far more detrimental. Far more detrimental to keep telling lies to our children about the "evils" of marijuana, when most of those kids are going to grow up and see that is exactly what happened to them, they were lied to.
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