Legalize It?

No excuses, but... · 03-11-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GoStateNate

All you have to do is look at the poll. Spartan1998 was a man standing alone on an island from the beginning anyway.

But...The Children...The...Children...

And never did I expect the poll to look the way it does. I was so delightfully surprised to see such a high proportion of YES votes.

Just1Spartan · 03-11-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeJohnson

The thing is part of the ignorance is not their fault because this is what they were taught from day 1 that marijuana is just evil and wrong. However, despite this an educated person will do his or her own research and come up with a logical conclusion. Only the weak minded, uneducated, and back wards thinking people just swallow whatever BS you feed them. This is the problem and you really can't teach an old dog new tricks, so they are always going to think this way. Once they kick the bucket and we get our guys the Gen X guys and gals into office I promise you all of this will change my friend.

Hey I don't smoke anymore but blaze one up on my behalf.

Oh and BTW one of my favorite songs by Afrom Man just to set the mood.

YouTube - Afroman - Because I Got High (Uncensored)

QFT!!!!!

For example, my grandma, I love that woman, may she RIP, but being born in the 1920's she was of the impression that races, although they might be okay to intermingle, they definitely should not intermarry, she was a victim of the thinking of her time.

This is exactly how I think of marijuana prohibitionists, they are generally very principled and good people, just ignorant and uneducated.

MikeJohnson · 03-11-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by No excuses, but...

But...The Children...The...Children...

YouTube - Children

Good old Mrs. Lovejoy beat you to the punch.

AASpartan · 03-11-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoStateNate

All you have to do is look at the poll. Spartan1998 was a man standing alone on an island from the beginning anyway.

I mean, it's not like we're a bunch of stoners arguing that we should be able to smoke pot. Just that it should be legalized. Even if it were legal, I doubt that it would become something I did normally. I've got enough vices.

MikeJohnson · 03-11-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Just1Spartan

QTF!!!!!

For example, my grandma, I love that woman, may she RIP, but being born in the 1920's she was of the impression that races, although they might be okay to intermingle, they definitely should not intermarry, she was a victim of the thinking of her time.

This is exactly how I think of marijuana prohibitionists, they are generally very principled and good people, just ignorant and uneducated.

I like your analogy because it works on so many different levels. I'm not going to hate on your grandmother because that was the norm back then, and that's what she was taught. The same thing can be said about marijuana prohibitionists it's not that they are bad people, but they are uninformed and just blurt out nonsense. In the 1920's nobody would of thought how your grandmother think's is wrong but today that's differnet. I guarantee you the perception is going to change with each generation just look at us vs the baby boomers.

No excuses, but... · 03-11-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

I mean, it's not like we're a bunch of stoners arguing that we should be able to smoke pot. Just that it should be legalized. Even if it were legal, I doubt that it would become something I did normally. I've got enough vices.

Exactly. Whether you toke or not, literally ALL reason and logic says it should be legal, but who has the time for reason and logic?

GoStateNate · 03-11-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

I mean, it's not like we're a bunch of stoners arguing that we should be able to smoke pot. Just that it should be legalized. Even if it were legal, I doubt that it would become something I did normally. I've got enough vices.

Pretty much, I used to smoke pot but lost interest several years ago. I still partake once in a blue moon but it's rare enough that it's not something I consider a part of my life.

The Great Danton · 03-11-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by spartan1998

Taxing it will just cause the people who currently smoke dope to keep buy it illegally (avoiding high taxes and Gov. control). Legalizing it will just tell our nation's adolescents that this is socially acceptable, if not encouraged. I would prefer my children grow up with out smoking dope.

Do we really need more dope smokers in the this world?

How about you teach your children what you wish to teach them in your own home, rather than relying on federal bureaucrats and police officers to instill values in them, and let them make their own decisions once they've left your house?

No excuses, but... · 03-11-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Danton

How about you teach your children what you wish to teach them in your own home, rather than relying on federal bureaucrats and police officers to instill values in them, and let them make their own decisions once they've left your house?

CORNER BLITZ · 03-11-2009, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mentalstate

Well, I know a lot of angry drunks, but in my whole life, I've only met 1 angry pothead.

3 ways we pulled out of the great depression, one of those three was the repealing of prohibition.

And any state that does not legalize at least Medical marijuana is nothing more than a state of blind, hypocritical and completely damning judgmental asses. Have several friends at the end of their battle with Cancer, and the only thing keeping them in any kind of good way is pot.

There are a lot of stupid potheads though...

I met this kid a couple years ago that was at the riots and threw a brick at cops because "man....that was our party man....the cops cant just think they are going to come in and stop a good time...cops cant do that man...we're just havin fun and if they wanna stop it then they have something coming...."

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GoStateNate · 03-11-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CORNER BLITZ

There are a lot of stupid potheads though...

I met this kid a couple years ago that was at the riots and threw a brick at cops because "man....that was our party man....the cops cant just think they are going to come in and stop a good time...cops cant do that man...we're just havin fun and if they wanna stop it then they have something coming...."

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Sounds to me like that was just a stupid person. It had nothing to do with him being a stoner, he was just stupid to begin with.

Jaheab · 03-11-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GoStateNate

Sounds to me like that was just a stupid person. It had nothing to do with him being a stoner, he was just stupid to begin with.

Agree (most) drugs don't alter someone's personality, they just reveal it.

If I was arrested for having a joint, I could never again get a federal loan to pursue higher [yes I'm aware of the pun] education.

If I kill someone, do my time and am released; I can fill out a FAFSA and probably have a check in a couple of weeks.

Something is wrong there.

CORNER BLITZ · 03-11-2009, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GoStateNate

Sounds to me like that was just a stupid person. It had nothing to do with him being a stoner, he was just stupid to begin with.

I know...I'm just saying that a lot of stupid people are also potheads

Jaheab · 03-11-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CORNER BLITZ

I know...I'm just saying that a lot of stupid people are also potheads

...and alcoholics, and meth addicts, and womanizers, and wrestling fans, ect...

stupid people will always find ways to entertain themselves.

SpartanStu · 03-11-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by No excuses, but...

spartan1998 and anyone else who voted "NO" should watch this video. Its long (1hr, 45 min) but if you have the time to watch it, I guarantee you will not be disappointed for doing so.

And for those of you who voted yes, light up and watch it!

I hadnt seen that before. Thanks for posting.

Further proof that the last thing our Government wants its citizens to do is think.

The Great Danton · 03-11-2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by No excuses, but...

spartan1998 and anyone else who voted "NO" should watch this video. Its long (1hr, 45 min) but if you have the time to watch it, I guarantee you will not be disappointed for doing so.

And for those of you who voted yes, light up and watch it!

I just watched this in its entirety, good stuff.

Most of it I already knew, but this is a great video for the layman to understand what the War on Drugs is all about, and really why the prohibition of marijuana is so silly.

nomaduper · 03-11-2009, 06:04 AM

Good source for bio fuel, paper and clothing.

AbbottHallAbsyntheDrinker · 03-11-2009, 08:11 AM

YouTube - Rita Marley - One Draw

board247 · 03-11-2009, 08:34 AM

Wow. spartan1998 you are really misinformed.

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Originally Posted by spartan1998

Can we throw out the argument that alcohol is worse...

in reference to marijuana causing cancer....

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Originally Posted by spartan1998

I don't have time to find the articles to prove it to you, but you are wrong. I assume that most know this and agree.

A couple points:
1. You can die from ingesting too much alcohol. You can NOT die from ingesting too much marijuana. So no, we can not throw out the argument that alcohol is worse. That's the whole point about how stupid it is that marijuana is illegal.

2. You don't have time to find articles to prove that marijuana causes cancer because they don't exist. Even when researchers set out to show causality between marijauna and cancer they ended up showing that there was no link. (It didn't take me much time to find an article

) Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer

Spartanic · 03-11-2009, 09:02 AM

one aspect of the legalization/decriminalization issue I wonder about is what would happen to the nations food production if it became legal to grow pot.
Who is going to plant corn, soybeans, wheat, etc if they can make twenty times more money cultivating marijuana as a cash crop?

Tag · 03-11-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

This got decidedly one sided in a hurry.

Eh. No real point in discussing it. Nobody's mind is going to change. As long as message boards have been around, the "Duuuuude, pot should, like, totally be legal 'n stuff" threads have existed. They're almost as prevalent as Nazi references (aka Godwin's Law) - if you're really lucky, the reeferhounds will relate government banning of pot to Nazis and thus provide the twofer.

Nah, let the potheads have their big happy internet circle-jerk and go on about your life. That's what I say.

Just1Spartan · 03-11-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tag

Eh. No real point in discussing it. Nobody's mind is going to change. As long as message boards have been around, the "Duuuuude, pot should, like, totally be legal 'n stuff" threads have existed. They're almost as prevalent as Nazi references (aka Godwin's Law) - if you're really lucky, the reeferhounds will relate government banning of pot to Nazis and thus provide the twofer.

Nah, let the potheads have their big happy internet circle-jerk and go on about your life. That's what I say.

Yea, and if you don't believe in alcohol prohibition you must be a drunk, right?

Eli Broads #1 Fan · 03-11-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by spartan1998

Taxing it will just cause the people who currently smoke dope to keep buy it illegally (avoiding high taxes and Gov. control). Legalizing it will just tell our nation's adolescents that this is socially acceptable, if not encouraged. I would prefer my children grow up with out smoking dope.
Do we really need more dope smokers in the this world?

That is the most ******ed argument that exists against decriminalization. People that sell grass don't check IDs. It's easier for a 16 year old kid to get a bag than it is to get a case of beer or bottle of Jack Daniel's.

No matter what the law is, it will always be up to you to effect whether or not your kid smokes pot.

Pablo Fanque · 03-11-2009, 11:27 AM

I wouldn't legalize, but I'd decriminalize it. Make any penalty purely civil and nominal in amount.

spartan1998 · 03-11-2009, 12:28 PM

Just stopped in to see where this thread went. For a minute I thought I accidental logged into the High Times message board.

In the beginning there were some with some valid points, but now it is seems like a bunch of Spicolis up in this motha.

The funny thing is that I think some of you people actually consider this message board to be a true representation of the general population.

Again, I am not going to spend the time educating you unless I'm being paid. However, the burden of proof does not rest on me. As I said, I'm just sharing my opinion.

The two most laughable things I noticed were, 1) people showing black and white propaganda films and acting as if these are the current views of why pot shouldn't be legalized., 2) people quoting bits and pieces of what I said and changing the meaning 100%.

For example, In reference to people remarking about alcohol being legal even though it has worse effects, I said "Can we just throw out the argument that alcohol is worse on the premise that two wrongs don't make a right?" To which someone wrote:
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Originally Posted by spartan1998

Can we throw out the argument that alcohol is worse...

in reference to marijuana causing cancer....A couple points:
1. You can die from ingesting too much alcohol. You can NOT die from ingesting too much marijuana. So no, we can not throw out the argument that alcohol is worse. That's the whole point about how stupid it is that marijuana is illegal.
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RCMB at it's finest!

Finally, those who think that a parent has 100% control over their kids behaviors must be the ones who's kids will grow up to be users. Seriously, look at your own lives people. It didn't happen with your own life did it? Did you really do only the things your parents wanted you to do before the age of 18?

Erikson, Kohut and other's who study human behavior have well documented that peers are more influencing on adolescents than parents. I'm all for good parenting and I believe it can be extremely helpful toward guiding your kids behaviors, but unless your kid is some kind of robot, there will be other strong influences on your kids behavior.

and now back to your regularly scheduled RCMB delussions....