Congress knew about the interrogations

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by STSM

HOLY ****ING ****!!!!! I CAN'T ****ING BELIEVE I'M READING THIS CRAP!!!!

If I knew on Monday that some ****ing dirtbag piece of scum, who uses kids with mental handicaps as suicide bombers, had information that there was going to be an attack on Wednesday, you can make damn sure on Tuesday I'm going to get the information out of the son-of-a-bitch!

Gee Molly. I'm sorry your Daddy won't ever be seeing you again. And for the 1500 other Mollys out there.... But I know you will take comfort in the fact that at least we didn't harm a single hair on Mohammed's head.

Fighting these miserable excuses of human filth is like playing golf. Par means you did the job and you saved lives. If that means I have to use my foot wedge, or change the 7 on the scorecard to a 2, then so be it.

Yeah. We aren't them. We aren't going to do "real torture". We aren't going to use such techniques for evil purposes. We are going to start up a chainsaw and make the ******* think we are going to saw off his dick if we can protect the country. So in the end, he still has his dick. He was always going to have his dick. He just **** his pants in the process. Boo ****ing hoo. When the job is done, I'm not going to be doing such stuff on random innocent people for the fun of it. THAT is the difference between us and them!

I admit I was unsure of this position on 9/12. But now, break out the gimme putts from 10 feet away.

there are rules to war

if you break those rules you subject your own soldiers to torture

why do you hate Americans?

[Enrico Palazzo]

Hey Cons, here's what your hero and icon Ronnie Reagan signed regarding torture. Bush gave him the finger on this (like he did on stem cells, but that's for another thread). H/t to Andrew Sullivan:

The UN Convention on Torture, which Ronald Reagan signed and championed, is very clear and its definition of what torture is obviously broad and inclusive. There's actually a good discussion of it at Hot Air, which reproduces the legal definition thus:

Article 1.
1. For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
2. This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.
Article 2.
1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.

Just ask yourself: reading this language and knowing that president Bush ordered the waterboarding of a man for 83 times to get evidence linking Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, is it really a matter of debate whether the last president of the United States is a war criminal? How is one able to come to any other opinion?
Remember:

Continue reading "What Reagan Signed" »

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Enrico Palazzo

torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted

Pulling fingernails out = torture
Putting people on the rack = torture
Cigarette butts in the back = torture

Pouring water over somebodys head = not torture

The seething hateful liberal rage against President Bush is on full display these days.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by RQA

... Pouring water over somebodys head = not torture

Let's see you convince the international treaty signatory of that. Too bad you weren't around when the Japanese were being convicted of that war crime after WWII.

Originally Posted by RQA

The seething hateful liberal rage against President Bush is on full display these days.

yeah ... damned libruul rage against war crimes.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Jack78

Let's see you convince the international treaty signatory of that.

The outrage of that group and yours as well appears to be selectively applied to all things Bush. Any outrage against actual torture in Cuba? Any outrage against visits from democratic congressman to the dictators practicing that actual torture? Didn't think so.

Too bad you weren't around when the Japanese were being convicted of that war crime after WWII.

There is NO comaparison between Japanese treatment of American POWs in WWII and our treatment of captured terrorists.

yeah ... damned libruul rage against war crimes.

There is no liberal rage against war crimes, only rage against Bush. Sad.

[Stang]

Originally Posted by STSM

HOLY ****ING ****!!!!! I CAN'T ****ING BELIEVE I'M READING THIS CRAP!!!!

If I knew on Monday that some ****ing dirtbag piece of scum, who uses kids with mental handicaps as suicide bombers, had information that there was going to be an attack on Wednesday, you can make damn sure on Tuesday I'm going to get the information out of the son-of-a-bitch!

Gee Molly. I'm sorry your Daddy won't ever be seeing you again. And for the 1500 other Mollys out there.... But I know you will take comfort in the fact that at least we didn't harm a single hair on Mohammed's head.

Fighting these miserable excuses of human filth is like playing golf. Par means you did the job and you saved lives. If that means I have to use my foot wedge, or change the 7 on the scorecard to a 2, then so be it.

Yeah. We aren't them. We aren't going to do "real torture". We aren't going to use such techniques for evil purposes. We are going to start up a chainsaw and make the ******* think we are going to saw off his dick if we can protect the country. So in the end, he still has his dick. He was always going to have his dick. He just **** his pants in the process. Boo ****ing hoo. When the job is done, I'm not going to be doing such stuff on random innocent people for the fun of it. THAT is the difference between us and them!

I admit I was unsure of this position on 9/12. But now, break out the gimme putts from 10 feet away.

I swear this was a scene from the movie Team America. You need to post more often.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by RQA

The outrage of that group and yours as well appears to be selectively applied to all things Bush. Any outrage against actual torture in Cuba? Any outrage against visits from democratic congressman to the dictators practicing that actual torture? Didn't think so.

There is NO comaparison between Japanese treatment of American POWs in WWII and our treatment of captured terrorists.

There is no liberal rage against war crimes, only rage against Bush. Sad.

Your view of the motivations and basis behind the opinions of others is narrow-minded, fixed, and wrong. Much sadder and completely unthinking.

I hold more pity for bush than rage.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Jack78

Your view of the motivations and basis behind the opinions of others is narrow-minded, fixed, and wrong. Much sadder and completely unthinking.

I hold more pity for bush than rage.

Oh really? Then show me the video of moveon.org protests against actual torture in Cuba. Show me the video of of liberal protests against actual torture in Hussein's Iraq. Show me the outrage from liberals against the recent visit of democratic congressmen with Castro while ignoring the imprisonment and torture of those working for freedom in Cuba. Until you do, you actually vindicate my view of liberal motivation and opinion regarding torture.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by RQA

Oh really? Then show me the video of moveon.org protests against actual torture in Cuba. Show me the video of of liberal protests against actual torture in Hussein's Iraq. Show me the outrage from liberals against the recent visit of democratic congressmen with Castro while ignoring the imprisonment and torture of those working for freedom in Cuba. Until you do, you actually vindicate my view of liberal motivation and opinion regarding torture.

What a pile of nonsense.

The values and ideals of the USofA ... treaties signed by the USofA ... laws of the USofA ...

pathetic.

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by RQA

Oh really? Then show me the video of moveon.org protests against actual torture in Cuba. Show me the video of of liberal protests against actual torture in Hussein's Iraq. Show me the outrage from liberals against the recent visit of democratic congressmen with Castro while ignoring the imprisonment and torture of those working for freedom in Cuba. Until you do, you actually vindicate my view of liberal motivation and opinion regarding torture.

Home | Human Rights Watch

Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Rashomon

Home | Human Rights Watch

Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

Nice links to the home pages of HRW and AI. Thanks.

But no video of the anti-Castro protests from these groups

[rob]

This is going to be so much fund watching them catch Nancy and Harry in lies

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by RQA

Nice links to the home pages of HRW and AI. Thanks.

But no video of the anti-Castro protests from these groups

I thought you were looking for links to "liberals" working against human rights abuses like torture.

You are claiming "selective outrage", well these two links should easily put your "claim" to bed. Won't stop you from ranting, but it does prove you wrong.

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by rob

This is going to be so much fund watching them catch Nancy and Harry in lies

You need more smileys, you really didn't make your point.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Rashomon

I thought you were looking for links to "liberals" working against human rights abuses like torture.

You are claiming "selective outrage", well these two links should easily put your "claim" to bed. Won't stop you from ranting, but it does prove you wrong.

I think my post was clear and specific.
That you lazily posted links to home pages of two activist groups is not cover for the selective outrage liberals have against Bush.