Question for the Rs re: Palin

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

I respect your opinion, feel free to disprove mine.

That's a hard thing to quantify but put it this way: Obama smoked Biden in the Democratic primaries and debates and Biden did the same to Palin in the VP debate.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Nommad

70% of the nation thinks she's not qualified. If anyone thinks she is, they are in the minority (and quite possibly insane).

What? She wasn't born in the U.S. and/or is not yet 35???

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tanfan

how? She demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the most basic issues during the debates and campaign. She is an intellectual light weight. Did you see her resume? It's laughable.

She did just fine during the debates. After all it was Biden who committed perjury and thinks FDR talked to the nation on TV in 1929.

Resume? Laughable?

She was governor of our largest state. More impressive than anything on the Tanfan resume.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by TorontoSpartan87

Obama=ivy league ed., respected scholar

Palin= ?????

Respected scholar??

W = Ivy League education, will you say the same about him?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by MSchott

That's a hard thing to quantify but put it this way: Obama smoked Biden in the Democratic primaries and debates and Biden did the same to Palin in the VP debate.

Biden did not smoke Palin in the VP debate. She did just fine.

Even if so, do you vote based on who you think won a debate?? Do you think the better debater will be a better president?

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by RQA

Resume? Laughable?

She was governor of our largest state .

[RQA]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

And this is funny to you exactly why??

So is being a 2 year senator from ILL equally funny to you?

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by RQA

Biden did not smoke Palin in the VP debate. She did just fine.

Even if so, do you vote based on who you think won a debate?? Do you think the better debater will be a better president?

It's not about who is a better debater. It's about knowing what you are talking about rather than winking at your opponent and relying on your charm rather than knowledge and intelligence. Biden is 10X smarter than Palin and Obama is twice as smart as Biden.

She did not do well in that debate unless you like a pretty woman with charm and an empty head.

Also, it's a positive that she was governor of Alaska, a state so far removed from the reality of the rest of the US and a job she quit on in the middle of her term? As John McEnroe would say, You Cannot Be Serious. Being Governor of California or New York is a tough and vital job that might prepare you to be President, Alaska, not so much. Oh, I forgot, she was mayor of Wasilla, population of 10,000.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by MSchott

It's not about who is a better debater. It's about knowing what you are talking about rather than winking at your opponent and relying on your charm rather than knowledge and intelligence. Biden is 10X smarter than Palin and Obama is twice as smart as Biden.

Have you any clue as to Biden's college grades? Do you know he perjured himself in college? Do you know he said that FDR spoke to the American people on TV in 1929? But it is ok to overlook all of that because he is a white man eastern liberal, I guess.

She did not do well in that debate unless you like a pretty woman with charm and an empty head.

She did just fine in the debate. You appear to be unable to remove your partison blinders to accept that fact.

Also, it's a positive that she was governor of Alaska, a state so far removed from the reality of the rest of the US and a job she quit on in the middle of her term? As John McEnroe would say, You Cannot Be Serious. Being Governor of California or New York is a tough and vital job that might prepare you to be President, Alaska, not so much. Oh, I forgot, she was mayor of Wasilla, population of 10,000.

So in your mind, we should vote for the person who has the longest list of previous political offices in the most populous states?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by MSchott

It's not about who is a better debater. It's about knowing what you are talking about rather than winking at your opponent and relying on your charm rather than knowledge and intelligence. Biden is 10X smarter than Palin and Obama is twice as smart as Biden.

She did not do well in that debate unless you like a pretty woman with charm and an empty head.

Also, it's a positive that she was governor of Alaska, a state so far removed from the reality of the rest of the US and a job she quit on in the middle of her term? As John McEnroe would say, You Cannot Be Serious. Being Governor of California or New York is a tough and vital job that might prepare you to be President, Alaska, not so much. Oh, I forgot, she was mayor of Wasilla, population of 10,000.

Wow. Sounds like you bought the whole party line there.

First off according to the Constitution all four national candidates were qualified to be President.

However, if you want to delve a bit deeper.....

McCain - Long time US Senator; military man who commanded troops

Palin - Inexperienced first term Governor of state who did not come off particularly well in a few interviews but wowed em in some key speeches and appearances.

Obama - Short time US Senator who quit in the middle of his term? Who before he became Senator his biggest claim to fame was as a "community organizer".

Biden - Long time US Senator - referred to as a Democratic Party foreign policy expert who nonetheless as taken some rather strange foreign policy positions. Voted against Gulf War 1, voted for Gulf War 2, rescinded his support and turned against the war and then came up with a harebrained idea to split Iraq into 3 different countries. Against the Surge. Anti-Contra and anti-MX missile in the 80s. Anti-ballistic missile defense.

A self proclaimed, “missionary in the cause of armed humanitarian intervention.” Biden championed US intraventions in the Balkans and also wanted US troops in Darfur. It seems that as VP he has stepped back from that. In April he commented on a new Afgan law that would let men rape their wives, “I am not prepared to send American troops to die for that.” Perhaps he should explain why the peoples of Bosnia, Kosovo, and Sudan are more valuable or more vital to U.S. interests.

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

Wow. Sounds like you bought the whole party line there.

First off according to the Constitution all four national candidates were qualified to be President.

However, if you want to delve a bit deeper.....

McCain - Long time US Senator; military man who commanded troops

Palin - Inexperienced first term Governor of state who did not come off particularly well in a few interviews but wowed em in some key speeches and appearances.

Obama - Short time US Senator who quit in the middle of his term? Who before he became Senator his biggest claim to fame was as a "community organizer".

Biden - Long time US Senator - referred to as a Democratic Party foreign policy expert who nonetheless as taken some rather strange foreign policy positions. Voted against Gulf War 1, voted for Gulf War 2, rescinded his support and turned against the war and then came up with a harebrained idea to split Iraq into 3 different countries. Against the Surge. Anti-Contra and anti-MX missile in the 80s. Anti-ballistic missile defense.

A self proclaimed, “missionary in the cause of armed humanitarian intervention.” Biden championed US intraventions in the Balkans and also wanted US troops in Darfur. It seems that as VP he has stepped back from that. In April he commented on a new Afgan law that would let men rape their wives, “I am not prepared to send American troops to die for that.” Perhaps he should explain why the peoples of Bosnia, Kosovo, and Sudan are more valuable or more vital to U.S. interests.

I would expect better of you. You well know Palin quit to make money and become a celebrity on the lecture circuit. Obama quit to run for POTUS. You equate the two? C'mon. That's the biggest fail ever.

And if you want to pick nits, McCain, who I do respect, took a total dive to appease the far right wing of his party, going so far as to allow Palin, a totally unqualified yet "technically" qualified person to be his VP candidate. If the economy hadn't done him in, Palin would have. Imagine if he had won and Palin was out there undermining his authority.

Also, the only people Palin wowed were those drinking the kool ade. The center of the Republican party knew she did not have the brains, experience or knowledge to be the VP. Dick Cheney who I absolutely have no respect for at least had the real life qualifications for the position.

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by RQA

Have you any clue as to Biden's college grades? Do you know he perjured himself in college? Do you know he said that FDR spoke to the American people on TV in 1929? But it is ok to overlook all of that because he is a white man eastern liberal, I guess.

She did just fine in the debate. You appear to be unable to remove your partison blinders to accept that fact.



So in your mind, we should vote for the person who has the longest list of previous political offices in the most populous states?

WTF do college grades have to do with intelligence?

I'll admit that Palin was very attractive at the debate and for her she was well prepared. That's not saying much. Here's a transcript of an exchange on Climate Change at the debate. Source is the BBC:

Palin: We know that it's real. I'm not one to attribute every man - activity of man to the changes in the climate. There is something to be said also for man's activities, but also for the cyclical temperature changes on our planet. But there are real changes going on in our climate. And I don't want to argue about the causes. Biden: I think it's clearly man-made. And, look, this probably explains the biggest fundamental difference... If you don't understand what the cause is, it's virtually impossible to come up with a solution. We know what the cause is. The cause is man-made... That's why the polar icecap is melting.



Yeah, he's a moron and she's a mental giant.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by MSchott

I would expect better of you. You well know Palin quit to make money and become a celebrity on the lecture circuit. Obama quit to run for POTUS. You equate the two? C'mon. That's the biggest fail ever.

And if you want to pick nits, McCain, who I do respect, took a total dive to appease the far right wing of his party, going so far as to allow Palin, a totally unqualified yet "technically" qualified person to be his VP candidate. If the economy hadn't done him in, Palin would have. Imagine if he had won and Palin was out there undermining his authority.

Also, the only people Palin wowed were those drinking the kool ade. The center of the Republican party knew she did not have the brains, experience or knowledge to be the VP. Dick Cheney who I absolutely have no respect for at least had the real life qualifications for the position.

I like Sarah Palin and she is out hustling for money now and banking favors to run in 2016. I think she is smart and has the right instincts. She came off unprepared and poorly in some interviews last fall.

The fact of the matter is that The Left fears her otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time and effort in demonizing her. She had more executive experience than Obama did prior to be elected President and if you can't admit then you are whistling past the graveyard.

I'd suggest that you try reading Camille Paglia in regards to Palin.

My biggest bone to pick with your original post was the characterization of Biden. That guy really grinds my gears.

[IGGcitable]

Sarah Palin will be 52 years old in 2016, with 7 more years of face lifts and sagging boobs, and about 80% of her appeal as a candidate will go away by that time.

The Repubbs need to recruit some bubble-brained bouncy-bootied perky-titted 30-year-old to be their spokesmodel in 2016 and beyond. Maybe they should hire Beyonce -- she could be their "designated Negro," too.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by RQA

She did just fine during the debates. After all it was Biden who committed perjury and thinks FDR talked to the nation on TV in 1929.

Resume? Laughable?

She was governor of our largest state. More impressive than anything on the Tanfan resume.

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

I like Sarah Palin and she is out hustling for money now and banking favors to run in 2016. I think she is smart and has the right instincts. She came off unprepared and poorly in some interviews last fall.

The fact of the matter is that The Left fears her otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time and effort in demonizing her. She had more executive experience than Obama did prior to be elected President and if you can't admit then you are whistling past the graveyard.

I'd suggest that you try reading Camille Paglia in regards to Palin.

My biggest bone to pick with your original post was the characterization of Biden. That guy really grinds my gears.

Camille Paglia is not someone whose opinions mean anything to me.

Also, I'm curious as to why you dislike Biden, other than his political beliefs. To me he's one of the few high ranking politicians who actually says what he thinks rather than what a handler thinks he should say for political benefit. That's refreshing and it bugs me that he gets beat up for this. I think all politicians should have the balls to be this way.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by MSchott

Camille Paglia is not someone whose opinions mean anything to me.

Also, I'm curious as to why you dislike Biden, other than his political beliefs. To me he's one of the few high ranking politicians who actually says what he thinks rather than what a handler thinks he should say for political benefit. That's refreshing and it bugs me that he gets beat up for this. I think all politicians should have the balls to be this way.

He's a phony and has been for decades (1988 Presidntial campaign, 1970s flipflop on abortion, his intentellectual dishonesty during the Bork hearings, etc.). He's also a career politician trying to build a political dynasty for his kids and I'm not a fan of that. I probably agree with him on about 5% of the issues. That's enough of reason.

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

He's a phony and has been for decades (1988 Presidntial campaign, 1970s flipflop on abortion, his intentellectual dishonesty during the Bork hearings, etc.). He's also a career politician trying to build a political dynasty for his kids and I'm not a fan of that. I probably agree with him on about 5% of the issues. That's enough of reason.

I believe he's the opposite of a phony and politicians flip flop on issues all of the time. F'in Reagan was a Democrat at one time.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by MSchott

I believe he's the opposite of a phony and politicians flip flop on issues all of the time. F'in Reagan was a Democrat at one time.

How do you go from saying Roe v. Wade should be overturned to saying it is "as close to a consensus that can exist"?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by MSchott

Camille Paglia is not someone whose opinions mean anything to me.

Also, I'm curious as to why you dislike Biden, other than his political beliefs. To me he's one of the few high ranking politicians who actually says what he thinks rather than what a handler thinks he should say for political benefit. That's refreshing and it bugs me that he gets beat up for this. I think all politicians should have the balls to be this way.

an example of "what he thinks":

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time

[TorontoSpartan87]

Originally Posted by RQA

Respected scholar??

W = Ivy League education, will you say the same about him?

W only went to an Ivy because of his daddy. I doubt he had the grades to get in on his own, unlike Mr Obama who is a self-made man.

He was editor of the Harvard Law Review! Do you even know what that means? Futher, he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago!

So, yes, he is respected as a scholar.

Which of Palin's 6 college stops did she distinguish herself at? She earned a journalism degree, right? Has she ever even had an article published?

What is Palin respected for anyway?

[TorontoSpartan87]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

I like Sarah Palin and she is out hustling for money now and banking favors to run in 2016. I think she is smart and has the right instincts. She came off unprepared and poorly in some interviews last fall.

The fact of the matter is that The Left fears her otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time and effort in demonizing her. She had more executive experience than Obama did prior to be elected President and if you can't admit then you are whistling past the graveyard.

I'd suggest that you try reading Camille Paglia in regards to Palin.

My biggest bone to pick with your original post was the characterization of Biden. That guy really grinds my gears.

How in the world did the LEFT "demonize" Palin? She talks, we laugh; that's the extent of it.

[TorontoSpartan87]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

He's a phony and has been for decades (1988 Presidntial campaign, 1970s flipflop on abortion, his intentellectual dishonesty during the Bork hearings, etc.). He's also a career politician trying to build a political dynasty for his kids and I'm not a fan of that. I probably agree with him on about 5% of the issues. That's enough of reason.

You don't like Biden because he's a career politician and he's trying to build something for his children?

What the heck has Palin ever done outside the world of politics? Has she ever had a job? Isn't she cashing in her own political blind luck to build a family fortune for her children's future?

Holy crap, new definition of hypocrite = YOU!

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by RQA

an example of "what he thinks":

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time."

He made a mistake. As opposed to Palin who said that she can see Russia from her house as qualification for foreign policy experience. Give me a break.

[TrapperGus]

Originally Posted by MSchott

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time."

He made a mistake. As opposed to Palin who said that she can see Russia from her house as qualification for foreign policy experience. Give me a break.

Both of these metophors are typical pols not thinking fast on their feet which is a possible requirement for POTUS. Obama picked the wrong person for Veep (it should have been she who must not be named) but as he is young it probably doesn't matter...for that matter Chaney picked the wrong person to be Veep also...between Biden & Palan as POTUS its a close race but Biden has at least more demonstrated knowledge...Palin might be a better leader but she is deeply flawed also. Neither has the skills to become POTUS on their own.