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[irishmick79]

Originally Posted by Compound

I'm glad you were able to scour the internet and find some quotes that support the beliefs you already decided you had. Good job.

However, most of those quotes aren't "radical" positions. This is a radical position





Quotes from our President, Barack Obama

Now THAT is a radical.

Those quotes were taken out of context by Drudge and FOX. Here's the source. Obama was apparently talking about redistributive change in a narrow legal context that doesn't relate to wealth. Mostly the discussion was relating to the 1970's questions faced the Supreme Court over the rights to education and adequate legal representation.

So, let me get this straight - you're ducking the quotes I show about Limbaugh being more than a little racist and throw out Obama quotes, I'm guessing because you can't stop furiously masturbating to the conservative cause long enough to admit that some of the biggest conservative names say some downright bigoted things at times.

I can man up and say that there are plenty of dumb things that liberals say and do. For one, I think the left tends to be far too forgiving on Immigration issues, and often ignore the importance of religious issues at their own peril. Can you do the same about conservatives?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by irishmick79

And here are some quotes on racism (that are actually sourced and verified)

First of all these are not quotes "on racism". They are comments on specific circumstances and issues. Those who hate Rush jump on them as "racist" as most liberals do as their default position on those they disagree with.

Let's look at them:

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

Do you disagree with this statement? It happens to be true. The proliferation of tatoos, gaudy jewelry and piercings is a direct mimic of gang culture. A simple correct observation. Why is it racist?

"I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They’re interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there’s a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn’t deserve."

This is a comment about the media NOT McNabb. You may agree or disagree but why is it racist?

"Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

This is not even a quote from the Rush Limbaugh show! It was said by "Jeff Christie" and again in the context of that "shock jock" show is part of the shock jock schtichk.

The man once told a black listener in Pittsburgh to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back." And he continually characterizes Obama as a 'halfrican'. If you don't get how that's racist, I don't know what to tell you, really. The guy is basically shock radio for politics.

Rush will admit to feeling guilty about the bone in nose comment, but to declare him a racist because of two comments over thousands of hours of commentary in 30 + years is a bit of a stretch, especially when there is ZERO evidence of racist ACTIONS in his personal or business life.

President Obama IS a "halfrican", why is that a racist comment?

[irishmick79]

Do you disagree with this statement? It happens to be true. The proliferation of tatoos, gaudy jewelry and piercings is a direct mimic of gang culture. A simple correct observation. Why is it racist?

So when you're developing that image in your head, you're picturing a black gang banger, right? You don't have a white guy in there too much, do you? Plenty of white football players have the exact same look and attitudes that the black guys do, and don't get assumed to be gangbangers the same way black guys do. That's why it's racist. Rush probably wouldn't say the same thing about similar looking white guys, I'm guessing.

This is a comment about the media NOT McNabb. You may agree or disagree but why is it racist?

Because McNabb was having a good year and had been a very good quarterback for the Eagles, and Rush was refusing to recognize those accomplishments and trying to make some weird argument that his image of success was manufactured by the media. Would he say the same thing about Ben Rothlissberger, Tom Brady, Payton Manning? I'm guessing no.

This is not even a quote from the Rush Limbaugh show! It was said by "Jeff Christie" and again in the context of that "shock jock" show is part of the shock jock schtichk.

"Jeff Christie" was his on air handle at the time. Jeff Christie and Rush Limbaugh are one in the same. And the Rush Limbaugh show certainly still had some elements of shock jock radio to it, although it's much more muted now when compared to back then.

Rush will admit to feeling guilty about the bone in nose comment, but to declare him a racist because of two comments over thousands of hours of commentary in 30 + years is a bit of a stretch, especially when there is ZERO evidence of racist ACTIONS in his personal or business life.

You don't have to take racist action to be a racist. And over the years Rush has said enough racist things to paint the picture of a guy who is fairly racist in terms of how he views the average african-american. I don't mean to say that the guy goes to KKK rallies and shows up to lynchings or anything like that, but he certainly seems to subscribe to a lot of the negative stereotypes about blacks.

President Obama IS a "halfrican", why is that a racist comment?

Because ancestry and lineage are real touchy issues in the South. It wasn't until 1967 that the Supreme Court overturned laws in the South that treated individuals witha certainbit of african-american blood in them as straight up african-americans. It varied state to state from 1/8th to 1/32nd, and it's a fairly complicated legal landscape. Hell, there are still court cases in the eighties that deal with these issues throughout the South. Still, I shouldn't have to tell you what it could have meant for you if you got legally labled as a black person in the South during the 1800's and through the 1960's, even if you completely identified as a white person and acted that way.

And the comment 'halfrican' is clearly being used as a disparaging insult. It insinuates that somebody of mixed ancestry can't credibly identify as an African-American, but also that they don't get treated like they're an ordinary white person either. Who the hell are we to decide for somebody what race they identify as?

[Stang]

Originally Posted by Enrico Palazzo

wow, that's pretty impressive. I never knew there were that many conservatives with no lives and no ability to think for themselves, instead depending on angry crackpots and fearmongering bigots to tell them what they are supposed to think on a daily basis. These numbers are definitely up as unemployment has risen. Coincidence? I think not.

I can always count on Enrico to write an ensightful well thought out response that adds to the discussion. Liberalism 101. "When you have nothing more to add to the debate and you know you are beaten, in a last desperate resort release the personal attacks."

[Compound]

Originally Posted by irishmick79

Those quotes were taken out of context by Drudge and FOX. Here's the source. Obama was apparently talking about redistributive change in a narrow legal context that doesn't relate to wealth. Mostly the discussion was relating to the 1970's questions faced the Supreme Court over the rights to education and adequate legal representation.

So, let me get this straight - you're ducking the quotes I show about Limbaugh being more than a little racist and throw out Obama quotes, I'm guessing because you can't stop furiously masturbating to the conservative cause long enough to admit that some of the biggest conservative names say some downright bigoted things at times.

I can man up and say that there are plenty of dumb things that liberals say and do. For one, I think the left tends to be far too forgiving on Immigration issues, and often ignore the importance of religious issues at their own peril. Can you do the same about conservatives?

I don't know why you think I'm a shill for conservatives. There are many things about conservatives I disagree with. I'm pro choice, I support gay marriage, etc.

However, as much as I might disagree with certain issues with conservatives on, I do realize that the liberals are way way way more whacked out of their mind. Your statists positions never do anyone any good.

And I'm not ducking the Rush quotes. But I think they have already been addressed pretty well by someone else in this thread. I agree with everything he wrote.

[irishmick79]

Originally Posted by Compound

I don't know why you think I'm a shill for conservatives. There are many things about conservatives I disagree with. I'm pro choice, I support gay marriage, etc.

However, as much as I might disagree with certain issues with conservatives on, I do realize that the liberals are way way way more whacked out of their mind. Your statists positions never do anyone any good.

And I'm not ducking the Rush quotes. But I think they have already been addressed pretty well by someone else in this thread. I agree with everything he wrote.

Well, I'll be damned. You could have fooled me.

Still, where is this idea about liberals coming from? I'm not exactly a statist, and most liberals I know aren't statists either. Now I live in Vermont, and if you're ever up this way I can show you some real Socialists in action. And it's worth pointing out that the Democrats would probably be regarded as a centrist political party in France or Germany. Hell, the Democrats would be firmly on the right of the political spectrum in Moscow.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by irishmick79

So when you're developing that image in your head, you're picturing a black gang banger, right? You don't have a white guy in there too much, do you? Plenty of white football players have the exact same look and attitudes that the black guys do, and don't get assumed to be gangbangers the same way black guys do. That's why it's racist. Rush probably wouldn't say the same thing about similar looking white guys, I'm guessing.

You are guessing? What you are doing is projecting your preconcieved notion that white conservative guys are racists. Who made any comments about the "attitudes of the black guys" other than you? Yet you give yourself and fellow liberals a free pass on racism.

Because McNabb was having a good year and had been a very good quarterback for the Eagles, and Rush was refusing to recognize those accomplishments and trying to make some weird argument that his image of success was manufactured by the media. Would he say the same thing about Ben Rothlissberger, Tom Brady, Payton Manning? I'm guessing no.

Revisionist history. McNabb turned out to be pretty good QB but nowhere close to the three you mentioned. At the time, McNabb was under some pretty heavy heat in Philly that wasn't being reported on a national basis. Why? Rush made an observation about the media not McNabb.

"Jeff Christie" was his on air handle at the time. Jeff Christie and Rush Limbaugh are one in the same. And the Rush Limbaugh show certainly still had some elements of shock jock radio to it, although it's much more muted now when compared to back then.

A tame comment compared to what you hear on shock radio today. Sounds like you at least recognize that quote for what it is

You don't have to take racist action to be a racist. And over the years Rush has said enough racist things to paint the picture of a guy who is fairly racist in terms of how he views the average african-american. I don't mean to say that the guy goes to KKK rallies and shows up to lynchings or anything like that, but he certainly seems to subscribe to a lot of the negative stereotypes about blacks.

Yeah, Rush is such a racist in terms of his view of the average afrcian-amercian that he hired one to run his show.

Because ancestry and lineage are real touchy issues in the South. It wasn't until 1967 that the Supreme Court overturned laws in the South that treated individuals witha certainbit of african-american blood in them as straight up african-americans. It varied state to state from 1/8th to 1/32nd, and it's a fairly complicated legal landscape. Hell, there are still court cases in the eighties that deal with these issues throughout the South. Still, I shouldn't have to tell you what it could have meant for you if you got legally labled as a black person in the South during the 1800's and through the 1960's, even if you completely identified as a white person and acted that way.

Hey, I read Puddin' head Wilson. But by your historical analysis being half-white would be a good thing, but there isn't much mileage in that.

And the comment 'halfrican' is clearly being used as a disparaging insult. It insinuates that somebody of mixed ancestry can't credibly identify as an African-American, but also that they don't get treated like they're an ordinary white person either. Who the hell are we to decide for somebody what race they identify as?

Is there any doubt that liberal have zero sense of humor? I find the term halfrican funny, not insulting. It is a wry observation from Rush of the importance liberal Amercia places on race.

[irishmick79]

Originally Posted by RQA

You are guessing? What you are doing is projecting your preconcieved notion that white conservative guys are racists. Who made any comments about the "attitudes of the black guys" other than you? Yet you give yourself and fellow liberals a free pass on racism.

My observation has nothing to do with Rush being conservative. Plenty of liberals subscribe to the same stereotypes that Rush does.

Yeah, Rush is such a racist in terms of his view of the average afrcian-amercian that he hired one to run his show.

It's a more subtle display of racism, and sadly it's what is more common in American society today. It comes with the stuff that we (on a whole, I mean) assume when we interact with people on a daily basis. When you see a black man with chains, baggy clothes, and a sidways cap walking down the street what sort of assumptions do you make about who he his? Do you make similar assumptions if you see a similarly dresses white man walking down the street? You don't have to answer that, all I'm asking is that you think about it.

Hey, I read Puddin' head Wilson. But by your historical analysis being half-white would be a good thing, but there isn't much mileage in that.

You completely missed my point if that's the conclusion you drew from what I said. Because there is such a stigma attached to interracial relationships in the South being a mixed race could mean that you were treated as a full african-american. You could be classified as 'mulatto' before the Civil War and sold into slavery if you were of mixed race. Does that sound like a good thing?

Is there any doubt that liberal have zero sense of humor? I find the term halfrican funny, not insulting. It is a wry observation from Rush of the importance liberal Amercia places on race.

Just because it's funny doesn't mean it's not insulting. If it's the sort of thing that you would feel uncomfortable, or would think twice about using around a mixed race individual then odds are you probably shouldn't use it.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by irishmick79

My observation has nothing to do with Rush being conservative. Plenty of liberals subscribe to the same stereotypes that Rush does.

OK, since there are "plenty", please name just a few liberals you would accuse of being racist.

It's a more subtle display of racism, and sadly it's what is more common in American society today. It comes with the stuff that we (on a whole, I mean) assume when we interact with people on a daily basis. When you see a black man with chains, baggy clothes, and a sidways cap walking down the street what sort of assumptions do you make about who he his? Do you make similar assumptions if you see a similarly dresses white man walking down the street? You don't have to answer that, all I'm asking is that you think about it.

Again, it is you, not me, not Rush who is emphasizing race. Black and white man dressed the same; I make the same assumptions. I have to assume that a person is chosing to dress to conform to something.

You completely missed my point if that's the conclusion you drew from what I said. Because there is such a stigma attached to interracial relationships in the South being a mixed race could mean that you were treated as a full african-american. You could be classified as 'mulatto' before the Civil War and sold into slavery if you were of mixed race. Does that sound like a good thing?

I get your point. However you can't see the forest because of the trees. You assume I am racist and Rush is racist because we are conservatives. In the antebellum South people were trying to be white (Have you ever read PuddinHead Wilson) for obvious reasons. Obama has a white mother and African father, nothing wrong with that, but it is obvious that his white heritage is taking a back seat for political advantage.

It is ironic that conservatives are much more willing to judge people on their individual merits than liberals who insist on categorizing people by sex, race, religion, sexual preferance, age, etc etc etc., yet liberals think they have some sort of Racist Radar they can use to detect racism in any human being they direct it at.

Just because it's funny doesn't mean it's not insulting. If it's the sort of thing that you would feel uncomfortable, or would think twice about using around a mixed race individual then odds are you probably shouldn't use it.

The term is funny because it tweeks liberals who think only they can assign racial categories in a non-racist manner. When people ask my ethic heritage (usually because of my name) I tell them I am "half-Scandinavian". Never knew I was insulting myself!

[Fistula]

I don't get this list. It leaves out other morning acts like Stern, Bob & Tom, FB&HW, not to mention sports shows like Rome or Mike & Mike. All of the shows I listed above are syndicated and have millions of listeners. Whoever authored that article on wiki is leaving out some other major acts.

[caspper69]

Originally Posted by RQA

From 9/9/09:

• The Rush Limbaugh Show - 20+ million.
• The Sean Hannity Show - 16+ million.
• The Savage Nation - 9+ million.
• Glenn Beck Program - 9+ million.
• The Dr. Laura Program - 9+ million
• The Mark Levin Show - 6.25 million
• The Laura Ingraham Show - 6.25 million
• The Dave Ramsey Show - 6.25 million
• Neal Boortz - 4.25+ million

Who ****ing cares?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by caspper69

Who ****ing cares?

Evidently you cared enough to not only open and read the thread but post in it as well.

[irishmick79]

Originally Posted by RQA

OK, since there are "plenty", please name just a few liberals you would accuse of being racist.

Robert Byrd probably is. And some of the stuff that was being directed towards the Obama staffers during the Democratic primaries in Pennsylvania and Ohio was downright shocking. A lot of it came from the rank and file. People were getting doors slammed in their face with the residents saying things like, "I won't be voting for that N****".

Again, it is you, not me, not Rush who is emphasizing race. Black and white man dressed the same; I make the same assumptions. I have to assume that a person is chosing to dress to conform to something.

See, there's an assumption right there that's not necessarily true. Who said that you had to be conforming to something with how you dress?

I get your point. However you can't see the forest because of the trees. You assume I am racist and Rush is racist because we are conservatives. In the antebellum South people were trying to be white (Have you ever read PuddinHead Wilson) for obvious reasons. Obama has a white mother and African father, nothing wrong with that, but it is obvious that his white heritage is taking a back seat for political advantage.

Obama has consistently identified as african-american throughout his entire career. At what point does it stop being about political advantage and start being his basic choice?

The fact that mixed heritage gets treated as either a political advantage or a liability depending on how a politician handles it should tell you something about how sensitive the issue still is in America. If the country had really moved on past race politics, nobody would care if he was black, white, mixed or whatever.

My assumption about Rush has nothing to do with him being conservative, and all to do with the statements on race that he has made throughout his career. If a democrat was saying similar stuff I'd call them out on it too.

It is ironic that conservatives are much more willing to judge people on their individual merits than liberals who insist on categorizing people by sex, race, religion, sexual preferance, age, etc etc etc., yet liberals think they have some sort of Racist Radar they can use to detect racism in any human being they direct it at.

Boy, there's a broad generalization. Even if that statement were possibly true, is it possible to talk about race without the conservative/liberal labels being tossed about in the race discussion?

The term is funny because it tweeks liberals who think only they can assign racial categories in a non-racist manner. When people ask my ethic heritage (usually because of my name) I tell them I am "half-Scandinavian". Never knew I was insulting myself!

It's one thing if mixed race people are using the term to describe themselves. Then I agree, it's not nearly as potent. However, when it's being used by a bunch of white guys in a clearly insulting way, then you got a problem.

[Bob Sakimano]

Originally Posted by Redwingenator

The title was interesting in that Conservatives "Say" they are happier.

If the findings were reversed the title would have been "Why Liberals ARE Happier then Conservatives."

well by all means keep believing the mainstream media..

[Mike Ockisard]

Here are some racist quotes from Democrats, I'm sure all you liberals condemn all these people on a daily basis as well

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent."
-Senator Joe Biden

Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."
-Senator Hillary Clinton

Some junior high n*gger kicked Steve's ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve's fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n*gger blindsided him."
-- Roger Clinton, the President's brother on audiotape

"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
-- Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"
-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write."
-- Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax

"In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture."
-- Harry Belafonte

"Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them."
-- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager for the 2000 election

(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom."
-- Spike Lee

"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.

"I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

"You *****ing Jew b@stard." -- Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray. This was revealed in "State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton" and has been verified by Paul Fray and three witnesses.

"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes."
-- Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002

"Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under his holy and righteous name."
-- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002, 1984

'Hymies.' 'Hymietown.'
-- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.

"Jews — that's J-E-W-S."
-- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002

"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health."
-- Charles Barron, a New York city councilman at a reparations rally, 2002

"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them."
-- Mary Frances Berry, Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

(I) "will not let the white boys win in this election."
-- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager on the 2000 election

"The old white boys got taken fair and square."
-- San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown after winning an election

"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time."
-- Former Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate" in March of 2001

"The Medicaid system must have been developed by a white male slave owner. It pays for you to be pregnant and have a baby, but it won't pay for much family planning."
-- Jocelyn Elders

The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years."
-- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002, City College audience in New York

"There's no great, white bigot; there's just about 200 million little white bigots out there."
-- USA Today columnist Julienne Malveaux

"We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders."
-- Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek ***** ever got around to it."
-- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ, cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things

"The white race is the cancer of human history."
-- Susan Sontag

"Reparations are a really good way for white people to admit they're wrong." -- Zack Webb, University Of Kentucky NAACP

[Bob Sakimano]

Originally Posted by Mike Ockisard

Here are some racist quotes from Democrats, I'm sure all you liberals condemn all these people on a daily basis as well

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent."
-Senator Joe Biden

Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."
-Senator Hillary Clinton

Some junior high n*gger kicked Steve's ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve's fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n*gger blindsided him."
-- Roger Clinton, the President's brother on audiotape

"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
-- Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"
-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write."
-- Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax

"In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture."
-- Harry Belafonte

"Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them."
-- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager for the 2000 election

(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom."
-- Spike Lee

"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.

"I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

"You *****ing Jew b@stard." -- Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray. This was revealed in "State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton" and has been verified by Paul Fray and three witnesses.

"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes."
-- Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002

"Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under his holy and righteous name."
-- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002, 1984

'Hymies.' 'Hymietown.'
-- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.

"Jews — that's J-E-W-S."
-- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002

"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health."
-- Charles Barron, a New York city councilman at a reparations rally, 2002

"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them."
-- Mary Frances Berry, Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

(I) "will not let the white boys win in this election."
-- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager on the 2000 election

"The old white boys got taken fair and square."
-- San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown after winning an election

"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time."
-- Former Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate" in March of 2001

"The Medicaid system must have been developed by a white male slave owner. It pays for you to be pregnant and have a baby, but it won't pay for much family planning."
-- Jocelyn Elders

The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years."
-- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002, City College audience in New York

"There's no great, white bigot; there's just about 200 million little white bigots out there."
-- USA Today columnist Julienne Malveaux

"We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders."
-- Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek ***** ever got around to it."
-- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ, cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things

"The white race is the cancer of human history."
-- Susan Sontag

"Reparations are a really good way for white people to admit they're wrong." -- Zack Webb, University Of Kentucky NAACP

so you're agreeing that Limbaugh is a racist..

[Mike Ockisard]

Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano

so you're agreeing that Limbaugh is a racist..

And you're admitting that all the people in the above list are racists as well.

[WavSpartan]

I am friends with someone in Levin's family. Says his whole thing on the air is an act.

It takes some skill to lie like that everyday, for hours, so convincingly....I will admit that.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by irishmick79

Robert Byrd probably is. And some of the stuff that was being directed towards the Obama staffers during the Democratic primaries in Pennsylvania and Ohio was downright shocking. A lot of it came from the rank and file. People were getting doors slammed in their face with the residents saying things like, "I won't be voting for that N****".

You said there were "plenty" of liberal racists, I gave you a break and asked for just a few names and you only came up with Robert Byrd and then only "probably"

See, there's an assumption right there that's not necessarily true. Who said that you had to be conforming to something with how you dress?

Maybe, maybe not, but it has nothing to do with race as you contend.

Obama has consistently identified as african-american throughout his entire career. At what point does it stop being about political advantage and start being his basic choice?

The fact that mixed heritage gets treated as either a political advantage or a liability depending on how a politician handles it should tell you something about how sensitive the issue still is in America. If the country had really moved on past race politics, nobody would care if he was black, white, mixed or whatever.

But liberals are the ones who will not let us move on beyond race politics. Can you not admit that??

My assumption about Rush has nothing to do with him being conservative, and all to do with the statements on race that he has made throughout his career. If a democrat was saying similar stuff I'd call them out on it too.

Well, let's start by reviewing what you have had to say about the people listed above.

[irishmick79]

Originally Posted by RQA

You said there were "plenty" of liberal racists, I gave you a break and asked for just a few names and you only came up with Robert Byrd and then only "probably"

Because quite frankly I don't know how most of the democrats in congress view race issues. Byrd was the only one that I could think of off the top of my head. A lot of them work fairly hard to pay lip service to the race issue, which is generally more than what Republicans are willing to do.

But liberals are the ones who will not let us move on beyond race politics. Can you not admit that??

That's not true at all. The democrats certainly aren't perfect in how they address the issue, but at least they address it. From what I've seen of the republicans, their solution is to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that there aren't serious problems in race relations to be addressed.

And there are plenty of conservatives who stoke the fires of racial resentment - just look at the confederate flag issue. And how come nobody is chastizing guys like Limbaugh when they claim Obama hates white people? Or how about when some conservatives claim health care reform is just another form of reparations? That's outright racism at worst, dirty politics at best.

[Bob Sakimano]

Originally Posted by Mike Ockisard

And you're admitting that all the people in the above list are racists as well.

sure..

we're all racist to an extent.. anyone saying they aren't is not being honest... for instance, I'm not a big fan of white people.

it's just refreshing to hear a conservative finally admit that the leader of right wing hate radio and the republican party is a racist.

[Compound]

Originally Posted by WavSpartan

I am friends with someone in Levin's family. Says his whole thing on the air is an act.

Try to at least not make your lies so obvious.

[danb]

I've become a regular listener to Bill Bennett's Morning in America from 6-9am. He has a lot of interesting guests and takes a fair amount of call ins. Should be good tomorrow after these elections today.

[Bob Sakimano]

Originally Posted by danb

I've become a regular listener to Bill Bennett's Morning in America from 6-9am. He has a lot of interesting guests and takes a fair amount of call ins. Should be good tomorrow after these elections today.

isn't he the guy who said if you kill black children that the crime rate would go down?

[danb]

Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano

isn't he the guy who said if you kill black children that the crime rate would go down?

Good luck trying to comprehend something outside of your lunatic echo chamber.





[/QUOTE]It seems everyone is talking about the recent statement made by talk show host Bill Bennett about abortion and black babies.

It is my understanding that Bennett is pro-life and opposes abortion. However, what everyone is so upset about is the fact that, as an example on his radio show, he stated that the crime rate would drop if all black babies were aborted.
With that remark, Bennett opened up a can of worms that I believe we should not try to seal back up. We must admit that there are those who think the world would be safer with fewer black teenagers. And it is important to know that

Bennett is not the first person to discuss a link between African-Americans, crime and abortion.
On August 9, 1999, the Associated Press ran a story headlined, "Study Suggests Link Between Crime Drop, Legal Abortion." Its sub-headline read, "Researchers Conclude That Unwanted Children are the Most Likely to Break the Law." The authors concluded, in part, that those most likely to give birth to "unwanted" children are minorities and the poor.

In fact, the co-author of that 1999 study, Steven D. Levitt, is the author of the recent bestseller Freakonomics. This is the book Bennett referenced when he made his controversial comment. While Levitt's book did not tie race and abortion, his 1999 study makes it obvious that he must have had that notion in mind as he was writing the book.
It's telling about the agenda of Bennett's critics that they are focusing their rage on him rather than the source of such an abominable theory.

Black Americans must wake up to the ugly truth that there are many who think the answer to fixing our society's problems is to reduce the number of black Americans through abortion. The fact is that there are those who think blacks who reside in our inner cities are nothing more than poor welfare recipients who just sit around selling drugs and committing crimes all day.

These people believe that our children will only grow up to be worthless criminals, so they place abortion facilities at our doors. "We'll convince them that we are helping their race and making it affordable to kill their children," they must think. "And the big plus is that we can lower the crime rate!"

If what I am saying is not true, then why is it that abortion providers pick our neighborhoods to set up shop?
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood of America, more than 90 percent of all abortion facilities are placed in minority and poor areas - mostly in the inner cities. The Cybercast News Service similarly compared the location of abortion facilities with population data from the U.S. Census in 2000, with the results bolstering the charge that the abortion industry targets black communities. Black people need to know this and see it for what it really is.

Therefore, in my opinion, Bill Bennett just brought to light a fact that has been well hidden since the 1973 Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade. To date, more than 14 million black babies have been targeted and killed by abortion. This makes abortion the leading killer of African-Americans.

Bill Bennett only spoke aloud about what some people have been thinking all along.

Though the media may try to divert our focus to chastising the messenger, I am praying that black America will look deeper in to the message and stand firmly against the notion that our black children are criminals even before they are born.





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Day Gardner is a member of the National Advisory Council of the black leadership network Project 21 and the director of Black Americans for Life. Comments may be sent to Project21@nationalcenter.org.

Published by The National Center for Public Policy Research. Reprints permitted provided source is credited. New Visions Commentaries reflect the views of their author, and not necessarily those of Project 21.
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