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Wel . well well...Guess who some libs/dems think is the most balanced and fair TV network?
Looks like GRR, Rash a whatever, and Sakimano should take off thier blinders and use their "liberal" brains
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The pro-Fox Democrats
Democratic pundit Bob Beckel has been under contract with Fox News for six years. And in the midst of the White House war against the cable network, some of his liberal friends think that’s six years too many.
They invited him to lunch the other day for an intervention: Why is Beckel — a true-blue Democrat who worked for Robert F. Kennedy and ran Walter Mondale’s 1984 presidential campaign — giving comfort to the enemy?
Beckel’s response: “I talk to more persuadable voters in a month than anybody on MSNBC and CNN talks to in a year.”
In the eyes of some of their party brethren, Beckel and other Democratic strategists and pundits who appear regularly on Fox News are traitors to the cause. Or at least gluttons for punishment.
And some of them feel that way, too.
“It sucks,” says Democratic direct-mail consultant Liz Chadderdon, a regular on the network. “It is very, very tough to be a Democrat on Fox.”
During an October 2007 hit on “The Factor,” Chadderdon referred to the detainees at Guantanamo Bay as “victims.” It was a verbal faux pas, and she knew it. But no sooner did she get off the air than she received a death threat — the first of a handful she says she’s received after appearing on Bill O’Reilly’s Fox show.
More recently, Chadderdon has been invited to talk business with Fox’s Neil Cavuto — on the main network and on the two-year-old Fox Business Network — even though she readily admits that she has no background in economics.
“Speaking about those issues is not my forte,” said Chadderdon. “And I’m getting the tar kicked out of me.”
So why does she keep doing it? For pretty much the same reason Willie Sutton robbed banks. Fox is where the viewers are — No. 1 in the prime-time news ratings and drawing more than twice as many viewers on weeknights as either MSNBC or CNN.
“You know how I know nobody watches CNBC?” said Chadderdon. “I compared the pope to my 11th-grade algebra teacher, and nobody sent me a letter.”
Lanny Davis, former White House counsel for Bill Clinton, says some of his fellow Democrats privately encourage him to keep appearing on Fox — even as they boycott the network themselves.
“I get very positive but whispered reinforcement,” he said.
Davis made news during last year’s Democratic presidential primaries when he said that Fox was the fairest of the cable networks in its treatment of Hillary Clinton.
And now, he insists, the claims of bias directed at Fox are overstated, at least insofar as they come from devotees of one of its competitors.
“Is there a difference between Fox and MSNBC?” he asked. “You count the number of guests on Rachel [Maddow] and Keith [Olbermann] who are conservative Republicans. If you get to double digits, I’ll buy you dinner for each one.”
Susan Estrich is perhaps the most identifiable Democratic pundit on the network. She’s been on the payroll for more than a decade, having first gotten to know Fox News President Roger Ailes when they were working on opposite sides of the 1988 presidential campaign.
Estrich says they’ve become good friends and that when she’s had beefs about the network’s coverage, management has been receptive.
“If there is something I think is not right, I pick up the phone and I call,” she said. “What I have been hopefully able to do is offer my thoughts both inside and outside.”
Estrich encouraged Democratic pollster Doug Schoen to join Fox Nation at the end of the 2004 election. Weary of the unpredictability of other networks’ schedules, he was happy to sign on — and says he’s encouraged his Democratic friends to do the same.
“They are the most professional network of any I have dealt with,” he said. “If you are a Democrat who wants to deliver mindless talking points on Fox, it’s probably best to go to MSBNC and hope you get a chance to recite them. I think Fox encourages critical views of all sides, asks different kinds of questions and wants to have diversity of view.”
Beckel believes Fox viewers are more open to the Democratic side of the story than stereotypes might suggest. And indeed, a 2008 Pew Research survey found that while almost half of viewers who regularly watch Fox News identify as Republican or Republican leaning, 39 percent tip Democratic and 12 percent have no stated angle at all.
Chadderdon is skeptical that her Fox hits do much to advance the progressive cause. But she says they’re good for business.
“The clients I have dealt with will say to me that they are impressed I have gone on [Sean] Hannity and O’Reilly,” she says.
Nevertheless, Chadderdon has been dialing it back in recent months, making polite excuses when bookers call to inquire about her availability. Plus, she has adopted a personal policy of not going on Hannity’s show after he was condescending to her on the air last summer.
“When the hit was over, I ripped off the microphone and started screaming at the producers,” Chadderdon recalls. “They ignored me and said, ‘Thanks for coming’ and hung up.”
Fox News did not respond to requests for comment for this story.
Peter Fenn knows what it’s like being the cable news version of Sisyphus — pushing the political boulder up the hill week after week. After regularly appearing on Fox for many years, Fenn says he started to pull away following the 2006 midterms. A few months prior to the elections, a “Hannity & Colmes” episode on which Fenn appeared alongside conservative pundit Ann Coulter was the mocked subject of a “Daily Show” feature called “Great Moments in Punditry as Read by Children.”
“After that, I thought this was getting ridiculous,” Fenn said. He continued to appear less frequently, until calling it quits after a show in May 2008 in which Michelle Obama’s patriotism was being served up for debate.
Beckel said he’ll persevere, even if it means taking blows from liberals who weren’t even born when he was fighting the good fight.
“There is a frustration when you are getting yelled at by people who weren’t even a gleam in their daddy’s eye when you were getting beat up by hard hats on Wall Street [while] protesting Vietnam,” he said.
He looks at the bright side.
“I get on Hannity every Monday night and say Obama is the greatest economic president since Franklin Roosevelt and watch Hannity’s jaw drop,” Beckel said. “And that is one of the great moments of my week.”
Fox has moved to the right with their political commentary. Glenn Beck, Hannity without Colmes, O'Reilly are all conservative pundits. However, the actual news on Fox is the most unbiased on TV.
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Fox has moved to the right with their political commentary. Glenn Beck, Hannity without Colmes, O'Reilly are all conservative pundits. However, the actual news on Fox is the most unbiased on TV.
Fox's opinion people are the ones creating a large portion of the news that they report. When you are watching fox count how many times they use the phrase "some people say." 90% of what follows is going to come from a Fox pundit or right-wing blog. Reporting opinion as news without having to cite a source must really cut down on the cost of actually gathering real news.
The most brillient thing they do is call out other networks and throw accusations of bias at them when they don't report the 'news' that they have created. I love it when throw in a: "Of course you won't hear this on CNN or MSNBC," "or "Why are we the only one's reporting this."
They are winning on that front right now. The way they have gotten the other neworks to report on the this manufactured "War with the White House" is nothing short of master's-level bull****. A+
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Fox's opinion people are the ones creating a large portion of the news that they report. When you are watching fox count how many times they use the phrase "some people say." 90% of what follows is going to come from a Fox pundit or right-wing blog. Reporting opinion as news without having to cite a source must really cut down on the cost of actually gathering real news.
The most brillient thing they do is call out other networks and throw accusations of bias at them when they don't report the 'news' that they have created. I love it when throw in a: "Of course you won't hear this on CNN or MSNBC," "or "Why are we the only one's reporting this."
They are winning on that front right now. The way they have gotten the other neworks to report on the this manufactured "War with the White House" is nothing short of master's-level bull****. A+
How long did the other networks stall in reporting on ACORN and Van Jones? Those were both valid legitimate stories that Fox broke and everyone else tried to skirt around.
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How long did the other networks stall in reporting on ACORN and Van Jones? Those were both valid legitimate stories that Fox broke and everyone else tried to skirt around.
I never said the other networks were any better. They pull the same crap and have a few tricks of their own. IMO all of the 24-hour news channels are a joke for one reason or another.
CNN seems like it is trying to broadcast news from the future with all their sparkly gadgets, and the way they hitch there cart on the "new media" twitter, iReport crap. oh, and Wolf Blitzer.
MSNBC is trying to be Fox-lite, now in NEW Liberal scent!!! It's almost like Fox and they exchanged playbooks after the election.
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Nice article, rob. Let's see what it says about Fox News:
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“It sucks,” says Democratic direct-mail consultant Liz Chadderdon, a regular on the network. “It is very, very tough to be a Democrat on Fox.”
...no sooner did she get off the air than she received a death threat — the first of a handful she says she’s received after appearing on Bill O’Reilly’s Fox show.
Non-righties who appear on Fox News get death threats from Fox Fans.
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More recently, Chadderdon has been invited to talk business with Fox’s Neil Cavuto — on the main network and on the two-year-old Fox Business Network — even though she readily admits that she has no background in economics.
“Speaking about those issues is not my forte,” said Chadderdon. “And I’m getting the tar kicked out of me.”
Fox News takes weak non-righties and makes them argue topics of which they have no knowledge.
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(Lanny) Davis made news during last year’s Democratic presidential primaries when he said that Fox was the fairest of the cable networks in its treatment of Hillary Clinton.
Fox hired Obama-hater Lanny Davis to represent the left.
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Chadderdon is skeptical that her Fox hits do much to advance the progressive cause. But she says they’re good for business. Nevertheless, Chadderdon has been dialing it back in recent months, making polite excuses when bookers call to inquire about her availability.
The financial benefit of appearing on Fox News doesn't wash away the stain of appearing on Fox News.
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Fox News did not respond to requests for comment for this story.
Despite airing O'Reilly's ambush segments, Fox News won't answer questions from reporters. They're p*****s.
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Peter Fenn knows what it’s like being the cable news version of Sisyphus — pushing the political boulder up the hill week after week. After regularly appearing on Fox for many years, Fenn says he started to pull away following the 2006 midterms. A few months prior to the elections, a “Hannity & Colmes” episode on which Fenn appeared alongside conservative pundit Ann Coulter was the mocked subject of a “Daily Show” feature called “Great Moments in Punditry as Read by Children.”
“After that, I thought this was getting ridiculous,” Fenn said. He continued to appear less frequently, until calling it quits after a show in May 2008 in which Michelle Obama’s patriotism was being served up for debate.
Fox News has such pathetically biased and racist content, those who appear there will never live down the embarrassment.
That's some good stuff, rob. What point were you trying to make by posting it?
When Murdoch farts rob gets full dose of methane in his ears.
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I always get rob and danb mixed up. Can never remember which one is Tweedle-Dee and which one is Tweedle-Dum.
Beckel is great on Hannity. It's obvious from Hannity's reactions that he's a schtick.
Some of you guys get waaaaay too worked up about Fox. It's just TV, and for every knuckle-dragger and mouth-breather watching that goofy network (mostly for the cleavage and short skirts), there are at least 330 people NOT watching.
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They invited him to lunch the other day for an intervention: Why is Beckel — a true-blue Democrat who worked for Robert F. Kennedy and ran Walter Mondale’s 1984 presidential campaign — giving comfort to the enemy?
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Actually all of us including those who listen to NPR and watch PBS.
But the old line companies of NBC, CBS and ABC only have themselves to blame. Sometime in the mid to late 70's the CEO's were convinced to run the news divisions like entertainment divisions with profit and loss, ad revenue etc and here we are.
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Fox has moved to the right with their political commentary. Glenn Beck, Hannity without Colmes, O'Reilly are all conservative pundits. However, the actual news on Fox is the most unbiased on TV.
Democratic pundit Bob Beckel has been under contract with Fox News for six years.
Beckel has been getting paid by Fox for SIX YEARS!!!! What's he gonna say "they suck"??? There are Republican pundits on CNN who think the same way about CNN. Is there a story here???
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Beckel’s response: “I talk to more persuadable voters in a month than anybody on MSNBC and CNN talks to in a year.”
Well now that makes sense! He's a Democrat looking to "persuade" the other side. Which network will you find the most non-Democrats on?!? That's right, Fox!! He's shootin' fish in a barrel.
C'mon rob! You flunked reading comprehension, didn't you??
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Beckel has been getting paid by Fox for SIX YEARS!!!! What's he gonna say "they suck"??? There are Republican pundits on CNN who think the same way about CNN. Is there a story here???
Well now that makes sense! He's a Democrat looking to "persuade" the other side. Which network will you find the most non-Democrats on?!? That's right, Fox!! He's shootin' fish in a barrel.
C'mon rob!
I agree...
I'm not the sharpest animal in the zoo.. but even I would figure that someone employed by Fox News would be reluctant to be publicly critical of their practices...
It's all corporate controlled and they are all working against We the People.
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When file sharing hit the press big time, I was quoted in several newspapers on the subject. A producer for the O'Reilly show called and asked if I might participate on his show.
She asked where I stood on the issue. I said "I believe that sharing copyrighted songs is theft, but I also believe the record industry needs to adapt to changing times."
She said "We've already got that perspective covered" and ended the call.
What she meant was "You seem to have a nuanced view, and we don't do nuance." Fox wants people who fall hard on one side of an issue or the other, so they can get a "debate" going. So they need a handful of liberals/Dems to help create heat while appearing to be balanced.
As for MSNBC, the host of Morning Joe is a conservative and they do bring in conservatives as well as liberals. The discussions are civil. Obviously Rachel Maddow is a liberal, but she does have conservatives on her show, and not for a shout fest. She asks tough questions but she is polite and respectful.
Obviously Olbermann has a strong liberal bias and he tends to go to his stable of liberal pundits most of the time.
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