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How is that not true? You don't see how diverting billions of dollars (possibly trillions of dollars) towards products and services that are not necessary would reduce our standard of living? You don't see how cap and tax legislation would hurt the economy?
Obama seems to understand that it would hurt us economically.
How is that not true? You don't see how diverting billions of dollars (possibly trillions of dollars) towards products and services that are not necessary would reduce our standard of living?
Finding a new, renewable and clean source of energy (aka green power) is paramount to maintaining our standard of living don't you see? And towards that goal, the first step is to reduce the use (aka conservation) of fossil fuels. GCC is just one factor to consider here. If you think it's BS, fine. How about...
1. The US is already dependent, and becoming more so everyday, on foreign sources of oil
2. The world is running out of cheap oil
3. As the world supply of cheap oil dwindles more and more wars will be fought to secure them.
4. When there is no more cheap oil, human civilization will halt, and then crumble.
How is that not true? You don't see how diverting billions of dollars (possibly trillions of dollars) towards products and services that are not necessary would reduce our standard of living? You don't see how cap and tax legislation would hurt the economy?
Obama seems to understand that it would hurt us economically.
Pure spin.
The actual costs will be about the cost of a postage stamp a day with lower income households actually coming out ahead economically. These are actual (and conservative) economic analyses, not some out of context quote.
At least do the minimum amount of research to understand that electricity rates are only a small, small part of the cost benefit equation on this.
Beckkk and the head in the sand righties are so desperate to prove myth over fact they're not relying on their mortal enemies PETA. One extremist hate group teaming up with another.
Its not myth over fact. Its hype to cover deception.
Why cant either side of you hyped up dupes take a step back and get a wider perspective on whats going on here?
Take your head out of the little pawn and its perspective. Off the little chess board and put your minds eye on the situation from above...from the players point of view.
Global Climate Warming Change is the hype. It doesnt matter if its real. Its the Earth. The Earth doesnt care about you. The Earth will generate its own eqaulibrium regardless of what we all do.
Restriction is the deception.
Tax restriction + consumption restriction = movement restriction.
Its Marketing 101. You hype it and sell it to the duped.
Beckkk and the head in the sand righties are so desperate to prove myth over fact they're not relying on their mortal enemies PETA. One extremist hate group teaming up with another.
The idea of the meat industry having being a bigger contributor to global warming than the entire transportation industry is something that was studied and put forth by scientists. It is not an idea invented by PETA.
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Finding a new, renewable and clean source of energy (aka green power) is paramount to maintaining our standard of living don't you see? And towards that goal, the first step is to reduce the use (aka conservation) of fossil fuels. GCC is just one factor to consider here. If you think it's BS, fine. How about...
1. The US is already dependent, and becoming more so everyday, on foreign sources of oil
2. The world is running out of cheap oil
3. As the world supply of cheap oil dwindles more and more wars will be fought to secure them.
4. When there is no more cheap oil, human civilization will halt, and then crumble.
I'm all for finding new sources of energy. But that doesn't mean I believe the world is coming to an end either.
Dantonio is the type of coach that can make guys like Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Jack Mollenkopf, and Duffy Daugherty proud. Michigan State is a school foaming at the mouth to embrace a gridiron winner. They may have found one in Dantonio.
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Hmmm. Let's think about a few people who bet the farm on an idea:
Andrew Carnegie: steel
Henry Ford: cars
Bill Gates: software
Geee, imagine that! Successful investors invest their money or their lives in industries they think will grow and prosper.
Al Gore has been preaching environmentalism for decades. It's his passion. Do you expect him to invest in coal companies? Of course he invests in clean/green energy.
Finding a new, renewable and clean source of energy (aka green power) is paramount to maintaining our standard of living don't you see? And towards that goal, the first step is to reduce the use (aka conservation) of fossil fuels. GCC is just one factor to consider here. If you think it's BS, fine. How about...
1. The US is already dependent, and becoming more so everyday, on foreign sources of oil
2. The world is running out of cheap oil
3. As the world supply of cheap oil dwindles more and more wars will be fought to secure them.
4. When there is no more cheap oil, human civilization will halt, and then crumble.
I completely agree that the USA needs to invest in alternative energy from a national security perspective. However, it would be nice to see the USA explore their own oil reserves to create more oil independence while transitioning to new forms of energy.
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I completely agree that the USA needs to invest in alternative energy from a national security perspective. However, it would be nice to see the USA explore their own oil reserves to create more oil independence while transitioning to new forms of energy.
Energy conservation will do more to reduce our dependence on foreign oil than any amount of oil exploration could possibly do. That should be the first priority of anyone looking for oil independence no matter the reason. It also makes sense to keep our oil reserves for times of severe shortage and for other uses besides simply burning it up at our current rate of consumption.
I don't care if you believe in GCC or not, peak oil or not, national security concerns or not, pollution or not, energy independence or not... Conservation of energy is the easiest to implement, most effective at the moment, and therefore the first step we need to make.
and here I was under the impression the GOP and Cons supported capitalism and citizens being able to become rich. Now because it's someone they don't like it's wrong and he must be stopped? Typical.
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and here I was under the impression the GOP and Cons supported capitalism and citizens being able to become rich. Now because it's someone they don't like it's wrong and he must be stopped? Typical.
I suppose it's also worth noting that the idea that Gore is profiting is based on a Fox News lie. He donates all his income from his books, movie, and speaking to the nonprofit that raises climate change awareness.
and here I was under the impression the GOP and Cons supported capitalism and citizens being able to become rich. Now because it's someone they don't like it's wrong and he must be stopped? Typical.
Leaning on your friends in government to a) give and loan your venture money and b) mandate markets for your product is not capitalism. It is everything that is wrong with looking to the government for a solution.
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I suppose it's also worth noting that the idea that Gore is profiting is based on a Fox News lie. He donates all his income from his books, movie, and speaking to the nonprofit that raises climate change awareness.
Leaning on your friends in government to a) give and loan your venture money and b) mandate markets for your product is not capitalism. It is everything that is wrong with looking to the government for a solution.
Finding a new, renewable and clean source of energy (aka green power) is paramount to maintaining our standard of living don't you see? And towards that goal, the first step is to reduce the use (aka conservation) of fossil fuels. GCC is just one factor to consider here. If you think it's BS, fine. How about...
1. The US is already dependent, and becoming more so everyday, on foreign sources of oil
2. The world is running out of cheap oil
3. As the world supply of cheap oil dwindles more and more wars will be fought to secure them.
4. When there is no more cheap oil, human civilization will halt, and then crumble.
The article itself reports that this group was the beneficiary of a 560 million dollar grant. You think it arrived there all on it's own, without people lobbying the government?
What else would one call it when the government mandates 20% of our electricity comes from renewables? Since the mandate exists regardless of cost to the end user, if that isn't mandating a market I don't know what is.
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The article itself reports that this group was the beneficiary of a 560 million dollar grant. You think it arrived there all on it's own, without people lobbying the government?
What else would one call it when the government mandates 20% of our electricity comes from renewables? Since the mandate exists regardless of cost to the end user, if that isn't mandating a market I don't know what is.
Read the previous thread on this.
The grant recipients were chosen by an independent review board outside of government.
Electricity markets are already heavily regulated, so I don't know what your point is about "mandates". Further, any RPS I'm familiar with has cost caps built in. So you're also wrong about the "regardless of cost to the end user" nonsense.
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One extremist hate group teaming up with another. 
However, it would be nice to see the USA explore their own oil reserves to create more oil independence while transitioning to new forms of energy.
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