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Old 11-03-2009, 12:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Al Gore Set To Become First “Carbon Billionaire”

Al Gore Set To Become First “Carbon Billionaire”

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The New York Times has lifted the lid on how Al Gore stands to benefit to the tune of billions of dollars if the carbon tax proposals he is pushing come to fruition in the United States, while documenting how he has already lined his pockets on the back of exaggerated fearmongering about global warming.

As is to be expected, the article is largely a whitewash and takes an apologist stance in defense of Gore.

However, the NY Times‘ John M. Broder does reveal how one of the companies Gore invested in, Silver Spring Networks, recently received a contract worth $560 million dollars from the Energy Department to install “smart meters” in people’s homes that record (and critics fear could eventually regulate) energy usage.
Cradle to grave control over every aspect of our lives is what our government has been primed to do for the last four decades. Both major political parties have been globalized and are working to enslave us on multiple fronts.

Everyday they say and write about what is coming and everyday many of us ignore them at our own peril.
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Everyone has been saying clean energy and energy efficiency manufacturing and R&D are huge growth sectors for the foreseeable future. It should come as no surprise that anyone with invested money would have money in those areas.

Would you rather Gore invest stupidly and put all his money in a fossil fuel portfolio?

Would that make climate change real?
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Everyone has been saying clean energy and energy efficiency manufacturing and R&D are huge growth sectors for the foreseeable future. It should come as no surprise that anyone with invested money would have money in those areas.

Would you rather Gore invest stupidly and put all his money in a fossil fuel portfolio?

Would that make climate change real?
Nope. I would rather he and his investors go out on their own and get capital rather than throw in 25% and get the other 75% from the government.
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Would you rather Gore invest stupidly and put all his money in a fossil fuel portfolio?
No. I would rather have Gore show up at the next Bilderberg meeting with 10 pounds of plastic explosive stuffed up his ass so he could blow up himself - and the whole goddamn lot of globalist blood sucking scum - in the ultimate act of hara kiri.

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Everyone has been saying clean energy and energy efficiency manufacturing and R&D are huge growth sectors for the foreseeable future. It should come as no surprise that anyone with invested money would have money in those areas.

Would you rather Gore invest stupidly and put all his money in a fossil fuel portfolio?

Would that make climate change real?
I wish Al Gore would actually accept the debates he has been challenged to about global warming so he can get his arse handed to him in front of the world.
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Cradle to grave control over every aspect of our lives is what our government has been primed to do for the last four decades. Both major political parties have been globalized and are working to enslave us on multiple fronts.

Everyday they say and write about what is coming and everyday many of us ignore them at our own peril.
Exactly! Soon every aspect of our lives will be taxed. And all our money will be borrowed. Paying taxes and interest on everything.... we might as well be picking cotton and watching our wives and daughters get raped by the man.
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It must suck knowing that the only thing that kept you from being President was a stupid butterfly ballot designed by Democrat lemming in Palm Beach County. That would be hard to live with. So hard in fact, that I would have to create a make believe world where the polar ice caps were melting and the sea levels were rising.....oh, wait a minute.
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Everyone has been saying clean energy and energy efficiency manufacturing and R&D are huge growth sectors for the foreseeable future. It should come as no surprise that anyone with invested money would have money in those areas.

And this is the beauty of the fraudulent racket being perpetrated on the world.

The fringe elements form the Cold War lost their ideological underpinnings with the collapse of totalitarian statism at the hands of the free world. But they lost neither their hatred of capitalism, open markets, the ubiquitous bourgeoise pig...nor their contempt for the wealth and successof the most powerful nation on this planet.

Didn't take them long to look around and find a nice shiny new vehicle to jump in to keep their fight going. Hello Global Warming err Global Climate Change. Just look at the supposed "remedies" being thrown around. The US has to completely eliminate fossil fuel consumption within 20-25 years (per the kraut scientist last week) or its Armaggedon time. Supranational bodies eroding national sovereignty. Mandated limits on consumption of everything from energy to food to entertainment. Taxation galore. And then more taxation

But back to the beauty of this grotesque scheme. The fringe GCC proponents realized all they had to do was create a significant enough climate of fear in the populations of the industrialized West to let the capitalist system begin to cannibalize itself.

The oceans are going to swallow up large swathes of coastal areas. Flooding will be rampant. Conversely, drought will be everywhere. Food shortages and mass starvation is inevitable. War. Disease.

Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear.

After enough fear-mongering, yeah, it's pretty easy to see how a climate can be created where your statement rings incredibly true:

"Everyone has been saying clean energy and energy efficiency manufacturing and R&D are huge growth sectors for the foreseeable future."

Hell, I see this every day. My company is led by several incredibly sharp businessmen. Like me, they view GCC as a complete fraud. But they're out there every day trying to find new ways to demonstrate how "green" we can be in hopes of gaining whatever edge on the competition may be realized . They see where the market is heading and in order to stay viable profit-wise, going "green" makes sense on an individual busines level. Take my company and multiply it by tens of thousands of other companies trying to stay alive in this insane environment and the cannibalization of the entire free market system as we know it is achieved.

From there, its but a short walk to the open embrace of the awaiting statist nightmare.

It's absolutely brilliant in its simplicity.
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Everyone has been saying clean energy and energy efficiency manufacturing and R&D are huge growth sectors for the foreseeable future. It should come as no surprise that anyone with invested money would have money in those areas.

Would you rather Gore invest stupidly and put all his money in a fossil fuel portfolio?

Would that make climate change real?
Do you really think Gore is worried about the planet? He won't even give up eating meat (which causes more C02 than THEN THE ENTIRE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY).

Al Gore doesn't care about the planet, he cares about getting rich.

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And this is the beauty of the fraudulent racket being perpetrated on the world.

The fringe elements form the Cold War lost their ideological underpinnings with the collapse of totalitarian statism at the hands of the free world. But they lost neither their hatred of capitalism, open markets, the ubiquitous bourgeoise pig...nor their contempt for the wealth and successof the most powerful nation on this planet.

Didn't take them long to look around and find a nice shiny new vehicle to jump in to keep their fight going. Hello Global Warming err Global Climate Change. Just look at the supposed "remedies" being thrown around. The US has to completely eliminate fossil fuel consumption within 20-25 years (per the kraut scientist last week) or its Armaggedon time. Supranational bodies eroding national sovereignty. Mandated limits on consumption of everything from energy to food to entertainment. Taxation galore. And then more taxation

But back to the beauty of this grotesque scheme. The fringe GCC proponents realized all they had to do was create a significant enough climate of fear in the populations of the industrialized West to let the capitalist system begin to cannibalize itself.

The oceans are going to swallow up large swathes of coastal areas. Flooding will be rampant. Conversely, drought will be everywhere. Food shortages and mass starvation is inevitable. War. Disease.

Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear.

After enough fear-mongering, yeah, it's pretty easy to see how a climate can be created where your statement rings incredibly true:

"Everyone has been saying clean energy and energy efficiency manufacturing and R&D are huge growth sectors for the foreseeable future."

Hell, I see this every day. My company is led by several incredibly sharp businessmen. Like me, they view GCC as a complete fraud. But they're out there every day trying to find new ways to demonstrate how "green" we can be in hopes of gaining whatever edge on the competition may be realized . They see where the market is heading and in order to stay viable profit-wise, going "green" makes sense on an individual busines level. Take my company and multiply it by tens of thousands of other companies trying to stay alive in this insane environment and the cannibalization of the entire free market system as we know it is achieved.

From there, its but a short walk to the open embrace of the awaiting statist nightmare.

It's absolutely brilliant in its simplicity.
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Do you really think Gore is worried about the planet? He won't even give up eating meat (which causes more C02 than THEN THE ENTIRE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY).

Al Gore doesn't care about the planet, he cares about getting rich.






So if he doesn't do your one cherry picked "solution" he's not serious? What utter BS. He could be vegan and live in a cave and you'd say he's not serious because of something else.
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Do you really think Gore is worried about the planet? He won't even give up eating meat (which causes more C02 than THEN THE ENTIRE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY).

Al Gore doesn't care about the planet, he cares about getting rich.

Beckkk and the head in the sand righties are so desperate to prove myth over fact they're not relying on their mortal enemies PETA. One extremist hate group teaming up with another.

Compound shows idiocy once again - it's as common as night turning into day.

BTW, here are some real facts (I know, I know, facts have no place with Compound and the right wing). In fact, the most harmful foodson the environment are overly processed foods like potato chips. Meat production does contribute when coming from the factory farms so beloved by conservative capitalists, but foods like rice contribute even more. Under Compound's loser logic people can't eat anything.

By the way, the PETA folks also claim a dog creates as large a carbon footprint as a Hummer. So, all of you hunters better rid yourselves of your hunting does, since PETA has been deemed a legitimate expert by the conservative movement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/op...nivores&st=cse
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So if he doesn't do your one cherry picked "solution" he's not serious? What utter BS. He could be vegan and live in a cave and you'd say he's not serious because of something else.
Al Gore has said in his own words that one can not eat meat and be an environmentalist. So why is he eating meat?

Meat is worse for the planet than driving a car. So shouldn't not eating meat be a bigger focus for him than transportation?
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Beckkk and the head in the sand righties are so desperate to prove myth over fact they're not relying on their mortal enemies PETA. One extremist hate group teaming up with another.

Compound shows idiocy once again - it's as common as night turning into day.

BTW, here are some real facts (I know, I know, facts have no place with Compound and the right wing). In fact, the most harmful foodson the environment are overly processed foods like potato chips. Meat production does contribute when coming from the factory farms so beloved by conservative capitalists, but foods like rice contribute even more. Under Compound's loser logic people can't eat anything.

By the way, the PETA folks also claim a dog creates as large a carbon footprint as a Hummer. So, all of you hunters better rid yourselves of your hunting does, since PETA has been deemed a legitimate expert by the conservative movement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/op...nivores&st=cse
I have no problem with anyone eating meat. I have a problem with Gore's hypocrisy and lies. Both of which you do nothing but make excuses for.
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35 Scientific Errors (or Intentional Lies) in An Inconvenient Truth

1. Sea level “rising 6 m”
Even the IPCC’s maximum estimate is a mere 59cm… In the year 2100.

2. Pacific islands “drowning”
They aren’t. The sea levels around the Maldives haven’t changed for 1250 years. Same goes for Vanuatu.

3. Thermohaline circulation “stopping”
In reality, it is strengthening.

4. CO2 “driving temperature”
It is a clear and well accepted fact that temperature drives CO2 levels.

5. Snows of Kilimanjaro “melting”
Temperature at the summit never rises above freezing. Most of the melt occured before 1936.

6. Lake Chad “drying up”
It also dried up in 8500BC, 5500BC, 1000BC and 100BC. Where was our carbon-polluting human industry then?

7. Hurricane Katrina “man made”
Maximum hurricane wind speed and number of hurricanes has not increased.



8. Polar bears “dying”
Four bears died in a storm. Four. Measly. Bears. Meanwhile, there are 25000 polar bears today compared to 5000 in 1940.

9. Coral reefs “bleaching”
It was caused by an unusual El Nino pattern, not global warming.

10. 100 ppmv of CO2 “melting mile-thick ice”
Gore overstates the effect of CO2 ten times greater than even the IPCC’s highest estimate.

11. Hurricane Caterina “manmade”
Air temperatures in the area were the coldest in 25 years, not warmest.

12. Japanese typhoons “a new record”
Tropical cyclone frequency has fallen in the past 50 years.

13. Hurricanes “getting stronger“
They haven’t in 60 years.

14. Big storm insurances losses “increasing”
Insured losses in hurricane-prione areas were lower in 2005 than 1905.

15. Mumbai “flooding”
There’s been no increase in rainfall over 48 years.

16. Severe tornadoes “more frequent”
Severe tornadoes have fallen in frequency for the last 50 years. Tropical storms are also at the lowest frequency in decades.



17. The sun “heats the Arctic ocean”
The ocean emits more heat than it receives from the sun.

18. Arctic “warming fastest”
It’s actually 1 degree cooler now than in 1940.

19. Greenland ice sheet “unstable”
The ice sheet did not break up during the last three times when the temperature was 5 degrees hotter than today.

20. Himalayan glacial melt waters “failing”
The snow melt which provides water has not decreased in 40 years.

21. Peruvian glaciers “disappearing”
For the past 10,000 years the Peruvian ‘glacier’ region has been mostly ice free.

22. Mountain glaciers worldwide “disappearing”
Human CO2 output has had no effect on the already-present glacier shortening trend.



23. Sahara desert “drying”
In the past 25 years, the Sahara shrunk by 300,000 square kilometres due to increased rainfall.

24. West Antarctic ice sheet “unstable”
Antarctic ice is at its thickest in nearly 28 years.

25. Antarctic Peninsula ice shelves “breaking up”
Gore concentrates on the 2% of Antarctica that is experiencing some warming, while conciously neglecting to mention the 98% of Antarctica that is cooling.

26. Larsen B Ice Shelf “broke up because of ‘global warming’”
The ice shelfs have been breaking up since 10,000 years ago.

27. Mosquitoes “climbing to higher altitudes”
The graph says it all: Wrong.



28. Many tropical diseases “spread through ‘global warming’”
None of the diseases quoted are tropical, none are affected by increasing temperature, and some even cause more harm at colder temperatures.

29. West Nile virus in the US “spread through ‘global warming’”
West Nile virus flourishes in any climate, from desert to ice.

30. Carbon dioxide is “pollution”
Forests are thriving due to the increasing CO2 levels.

31. The European heat wave of 2003 “killed 35,000″
Cold snaps kill people, but the IPCC does not include the number of lives that would be saved due to less cold weather.

32. Pied flycatchers “cannot feed their young”
A few tens of kilometres north, and there is no notable difference.

33. Gore’s bogus pictures and film footage
Gore plays fast and loose with falsely used images.

34. The Thames Barrier “closing more frequently”
It is closed to retain tidal water in the Thames.

35. “No fact…in dispute by anybody.”
Do I even have to mention these?

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why do people spend so much time trying to disprove this

if it's not true - good

if it is, why not take some extra precautions
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why do people spend so much time trying to disprove this

if it's not true - good

if it is, why not take some extra precautions
Because the precautions that are being advocated reduce our freedom and will destroy our economy
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