Pelosi On The Elections - "We Won"

[Bullwrinkle]

Good grief - I would hate to see what she considers a loss. Not surprisingly all the vulnerable Dem Congresspersons are quaking in their boots. Whatever happened to standing up for what's right and damn the consequences?

Election result: Red-state Dems worried, rethink agenda - Yahoo! News

[trainsrme]

Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

Good grief - I would hate to see what she considers a loss. Not surprisingly all the vulnerable Dem Congresspersons are quaking in their boots. Whatever happened to standing up for what's right and damn the consequences?

Election result: Red-state Dems worried, rethink agenda - Yahoo! News

as long as the speaker keeps speaking...conservatives have nothing to worry about

[lars]

Originally Posted by trainsrme

as long as the speaker keeps speaking...conservatives have nothing to worry about

Exactly, Demms are just burying there head in the sand now. The mantra coming from the White is ignore, ignore, ignore. That's good for America because Obama is confused and thinks he has some kind of broad based support for his policies (because people like him). The more they push the socialist, big spending agenda the angrier people are getting about the policies. It will mean huge losses for demms in 2010 and beyond.

The immediate impact may be on this disaster of a health bill. Blue dogs (those with a brain) will realized they will not get reelected by supporting this. They may turn and run from Obama..because ultimately they should be more afraid of the voters in their districts than of Pelosi and Obama.

[I.B. Fine]

And in a further case of denial, the Senate Environment and Public Works committee just approved a cap and trade legislation bill
Senate panel approves Democratic climate bill | Politics | Reuters
Way to go Senator Kerry!

[GRR Spartan]

A guy as quick as Bully can't identify spin?

[ninowesco]

wow

two governor races

scrap the party

[ninowesco]

this how bad it's gotten for the pubs that they will build two governor races into something equal to complete domination of the country

guess what guys

you are still losing

badly

[I.B. Fine]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

A guy as quick as Bully can't identify spin?

Come on, it ain't the end of the party, but the only way she can call it a win with a straight face is because of the botox

[GRR Spartan]

To see this as a repudiation of all things Obama is very wishful thinking. Both Congressional races held Tuesday went to Democrats. The NY 23 race where the "new conservatives" rolled in with the big guns lost a seat that had been on the GOP side of the aisle since the Civil War. The California seat had been a Democratic held seat for years but was considered by the GOP to be a swing district as recently as 6 months ago.

New Jersey has a big property tax issue no governor has been able to solve. The very unpopular Corzine lost by 4 points, hardly a landslide. Virginia had a Democratic nominee who decided to pretty much ignore NW VA and try to win by convincing his fellow hill country voters he was not pandering to NW VA. He was wrong 18 points wrong. In both cases the Democratic base showed less motivation to get out the vote only 12 months after the 08 elections.

VA hasn't elected governor whose of the same party as a sitting president since 1977.

If I'm one of the 18 Blue Dog congressmen in Southern states I'm worried. But NY 23 showed all politics are local and the conservatives need a new game plan.

[ninowesco]

I wish people would just support and vote for the best candidate like I do

[lars]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

this how bad it's gotten for the pubs that they will build two governor races into something equal to complete domination of the country

guess what guys

you are still losing

badly

Perfect example of the arrogance of demms. Keep thinking this way It will come around soon.

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

A guy as quick as Bully can't identify spin?

Originally Posted by ninowesco

wow

two governor races

scrap the party

Originally Posted by ninowesco

this how bad it's gotten for the pubs that they will build two governor races into something equal to complete domination of the country

guess what guys

you are still losing

badly

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

To see this as a repudiation of all things Obama is very wishful thinking. Both Congressional races held Tuesday went to Democrats. The NY 23 race where the "new conservatives" rolled in with the big guns lost a seat that had been on the GOP side of the aisle since the Civil War. The California seat had been a Democratic held seat for years but was considered by the GOP to be a swing district as recently as 6 months ago.

New Jersey has a big property tax issue no governor has been able to solve. The very unpopular Corzine lost by 4 points, hardly a landslide. Virginia had a Democratic nominee who decided to pretty much ignore NW VA and try to win by convincing his fellow hill country voters he was not pandering to NW VA. He was wrong 18 points wrong. In both cases the Democratic base showed less motivation to get out the vote only 12 months after the 08 elections.

VA hasn't elected governor whose of the same party as a sitting president since 1977.

If I'm one of the 18 Blue Dog congressmen in Southern states I'm worried. But NY 23 showed all politics are local and the conservatives need a new game plan.

Yup - that spin is hard to spot.

I'll give Pelosi some credit here - I don't think she was spinning anything. No doubt she believes what she says. The only problem is - she's an idiot. Must make you guys feel proud.

[lars]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

To see this as a repudiation of all things Obama is very wishful thinking. Both Congressional races held Tuesday went to Democrats. The NY 23 race where the "new conservatives" rolled in with the big guns lost a seat that had been on the GOP side of the aisle since the Civil War. The California seat had been a Democratic held seat for years but was considered by the GOP to be a swing district as recently as 6 months ago.

New Jersey has a big property tax issue no governor has been able to solve. The very unpopular Corzine lost by 4 points, hardly a landslide. Virginia had a Democratic nominee who decided to pretty much ignore NW VA and try to win by convincing his fellow hill country voters he was not pandering to NW VA. He was wrong 18 points wrong. In both cases the Democratic base showed less motivation to get out the vote only 12 months after the 08 elections.

VA hasn't elected governor whose of the same party as a sitting president since 1977.

If I'm one of the 18 Blue Dog congressmen in Southern states I'm worried. But NY 23 showed all politics are local and the conservatives need a new game plan.

GRR there was a 20+% swing in Virginia and a +17% swing in a seriously blue state. That is can not be a good sign..no matter how you spin it.

Like I posted earlier, I heard real voters after the election in a town hall say again and again they were angry at Washington over spending, TARP, JOBS, THE STIMULUS, and The rush on HEALTHCARE bill (that is not thought out). Most were OBAMA VOTERS TOO.

The general mood among voters is anger and people want change..just not the change they are getting with Obama. They feel like they were fooled by HOPE and CHANGE. Now they want someone else..and that happens to be republicans.

[GRR Spartan]

So how do you explain the congressional races?

I know people who were warning about a big loss in VA months ago based on the way the Deeds campaign was run. He still might have lost based in that since 1977 data cited maybe not by 18 points but still lost. Corzine was much further behind than 4 points not that long ago so I don't think his loss was a mandate either.

In my side of MI the GOP candidate wins no matter what. I suspect the same for Democrats in many IL districts. As far as 2010 goes, its a lot easier to fire up a base after one year off. If I'm going to plan on being a governor, I don't live in a state with odd year elections.

[lars]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

So how do you explain the congressional races?

I know people who were warning about a big loss in VA months ago based on the way the Deeds campaign was run. He still might have lost based in that since 1977 data cited maybe not by 18 points but still lost. Corzine was much further behind than 4 points not that long ago so I don't think his loss was a mandate either.

In my side of MI the GOP candidate wins no matter what. I suspect the same for Democrats in many IL districts. As far as 2010 goes, its a lot easier to fire up a base after one year off. If I'm going to plan on being a governor, I don't live in a state with odd year elections.

The congressional race was a THIRD party candidate with a last minute pull out for the republican. Do you know how hard it is to win as a third party?? It happens rarely...the fact that he was soo close should make you worried. You wont see this across the country in 2010.

[danb]

Originally Posted by lars

Exactly, Demms are just burying there head in the sand now. The mantra coming from the White is ignore, ignore, ignore. That's good for America because Obama is confused and thinks he has some kind of broad based support for his policies (because people like him). The more they push the socialist, big spending agenda the angrier people are getting about the policies. It will mean huge losses for demms in 2010 and beyond.

The immediate impact may be on this disaster of a health bill. Blue dogs (those with a brain) will realized they will not get reelected by supporting this. They may turn and run from Obama..because ultimately they should be more afraid of the voters in their districts than of Pelosi and Obama.

Which is where Obama and Soros come in. They can guarantee the blue dogs a new job in one of their think tanks or govt beauracracies as payment for voting for Medicoup and losing their seat. There are more useful idiots where they came from.

[ninowesco]

this is like michigan celebrating some three star basketball recruit

the democrats are still Michigan State

[GRR Spartan]

Originally Posted by lars

The congressional race was a THIRD party candidate with a last minute pull out for the republican. Do you know how hard it is to win as a third party?? It happens rarely...the fact that he was soo close should make you worried. You wont see this across the country in 2010.

I don't worry because at the end of the day Congressional ideologues rarely win more than one or two terms before their voters figure out they are more worried about ideas than addressing local issues.

If you don't think Boehner, regardless of all his public grousing about runaway spending , doesn't bring home the bacon for his district, I'll sell you some bridges in Chicago.

For NY23, the big dogs with their money and considerable marketing clout still couldn't win and the poor guy was exposed for not having a good idea of what local issues were. This is the rule for House seats. In the US Senate Clinton or Kennedy could be a move in candidate because the NYC voter block can sweep in a victory but even in NYC disticts you had better be addressing local issues.

It isn't all rosy for the Obama administration but their not in the fold up the tents, dig the bunkers mode either

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by danb

Which is where Obama and Soros come in. They can guarantee the blue dogs a new job in one of their think tanks or govt beauracracies as payment for voting for Medicoup and losing their seat. There are more useful idiots where they came from.

now that is insightful

first time I've ever said that here

getting the healthcare passed is the most important thing they could do in office anyway - I say get it done and then ride off into the sunset as a great American

[Seth Galifianakis]

I for one am shocked. I mean, a politician is trying to spin the results of an election to make themselves look better - Wha wha whaaaaaaaaaat?

[Bob Sakimano]

let's see...

the Democrats have more seats in the US House after the election than they did before the election and she, the Speaker of the House, thinks they "won"?

wow - she's even crazier than right wing hate radio and the mainstream media makes her out to be...

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano

let's see...

the Democrats have more seats in the US House after the election than they did before the election and she thinks they "won"?

wow - she's even crazier than right wing hate radio makes her out to be...

Might wanna read the link before you sound off there Bobby - you sound almost as stupid as Pelosi. Nothing personal though.

[Bob Sakimano]

Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

Might wanna read the link before you sound off there Bobby - you sound almost as stupid as Pelosi. Nothing personal though.

oh, I predicted the other day that the mainstream media would predict doom for the democrats.. nothing shocking there.

and I'm more stupid than you would even think.. it's part of my charm.

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano

oh, I predicted the other day that the mainstream media would predict doom for the democrats.. nothing shocking there.

and I'm more stupid than you would even think.. it's part of my charm.

As I said, you might actually wanna read the article. Those predicting doom are quoted and happen to be the Dems themselves, not the "mainstream media".

Except for Pelosi who of course thought the elections were a big win - who knew you two had so much in common?

[Bob Sakimano]

Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

As I said, you might actually wanna read the article. Those predicting doom are quoted and happen to be the Dems themselves, not the "mainstream media".

dude.. I read the article...

the mainstream media is what controls the minds of the intellectually vulnerable people at home eating pork rinds and watching American Idol..

they only know what the mainstream media tells them because they either a) don't have intellectual curiosity or b) the intellectual capacity to determine otherwise on their own.

Except for Pelosi who of course thought the elections were a big win - who knew you two had so much in common?

if you keep comparing Pelosi to me, she's gonna get really pissed off.. no human deserves that kind of abuse.