Who killed President Kennedy

[msu.uf]

Originally Posted by Wally Fairway

solid first post

Still waiting for your first solid post.

[Pablo Fanque]

Originally Posted by spartan80

It doesn't surprise me that people believe Oswald did the shooting, and his use of a magic bullet. I mean some of us believed Saddam Hussein had "stockpiles" of WMD's that could be put into service in 90 minutes, that he had contacts with Al Queda, and that after a decade of sanctions he was a threat to his neighbors & the U.S.!!!

Let's try to keep this thread here and not at Wells Hall. Thanks.

[Spartanic]

The whole notion that anybody "proved" Oswald did it is laughable.

There is no jury that would have ever convicted Oswald. There simply was not enough evidence. That is why it was essential that Oswald never go to a trial, as he should have.

The state of Texas had jurisdiction for a murder trial. But Secret Service Agents under the direct orders of LBJ took Kennedy's body at gunpoint (violating state laws) and drove the body to the airport and loaded it onto the plane that LBJ was waiting in.

Johnson refused to leave Texas until he had the body on the plane.

Two days later, Oswald had been shot and killed by an organized crime figure (Ruby) in the basement of the Dallas police department. This prevented any possibility of Oswald ever making it to trial.

Johnson immediately announced a special handpicked commission (of his choosing) would investigate the assassination in lieu of a trial.

The Warren Commission started with the assumption that Oswald was the lone killer and never seriously considered any witnesses or evidence that was to the contrary (and there was a lot of evidence and many witnesses that had conflicting testimony with the Commissions assumption).

Speaking of conspiracies, how about all those people at Dealy Plaza that conspired to run up to the Grassy Knoll and pretend they heard gunshots coming from behind that fence! :D :D

[WavSpartan]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Speaking of conspiracies, how about all those people at Dealy Plaza that conspired to run up to the Grassy Knoll and pretend they heard gunshots coming from behind that fence! :D :D

Oh, you didn't hear? They explained that one. Hundreds of people were running towards an "echo".

[Z.Cavaricci]

I would just like somone to give a resonable answer to these statements.

The most important man in the world was just murdered and amazingly they lose his brain.

Witnesses said they heard and saw shots from the grassy knoll......magically a week later they change their minds.

Oswald is supposedly up in this building ready to go and with his first shot, which would be the most accurate, he misses. After he misses in his frantic movements of trying to get the bolt cocked and get aim through the scope again while the motorcade is moving and gets a perfect shot off.

The fatal shot supposedly hits JFK in the back of the head, which somehow slams his head backwards in the direction the shot came from. The brain matter and blood shoots out the back of his head,......how is this possible ?? Have you ever shot ANYTHING ??

[Pablo Fanque]

Originally Posted by DonkeyPuncher

The fatal shot supposedly hits JFK in the back of the head, which somehow slams his head backwards in the direction the shot came from. The brain matter and blood shoots out the back of his head,......how is this possible ?? Have you ever shot ANYTHING ??

for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. so, a shot to the back of the head could and would cause the head to snap backwards (toward the shot) when the bullet exits.

if you get rear-ended in your car, your head will go forward and then snap backward (toward the direction from where the blow/force came). i guarantee that.

my point: i wouldn't rule out oswald because the prexy's head snapped backward.

[Z.Cavaricci]

Originally Posted by Sir William Wallace

for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. so, a shot to the back of the head could and would cause the head to snap backwards (toward the shot) when the bullet exits.

if you get rear-ended in your car, your head will go forward and then snap backward (toward the direction from where the blow/force came). i guarantee that.

my point: i wouldn't rule out oswald because the prexy's head snapped backward.

Ok....then tell me why the entrance wound blew a hole in his head and the exit wound was a small hole. EVERYONE knows that a bullet compresses and sometimes shatters when traveling through human tissue and bone. So how would the bullet make this kind of entrance wound....The exit wound would have been much worse than the entrance. Did it flatten out in the air ?? Not possible

Getting rear ended isnt the same as getting shot in the back of the head. A better example would be if you punched me in the back of the head....my head would not snap backwards.

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by DonkeyPuncher

I would just like somone to give a resonable answer to these statements.

The most important man in the world was just murdered and amazingly they lose his brain.

Witnesses said they heard and saw shots from the grassy knoll......magically a week later they change their minds.

Oswald is supposedly up in this building ready to go and with his first shot, which would be the most accurate, he misses. After he misses in his frantic movements of trying to get the bolt cocked and get aim through the scope again while the motorcade is moving and gets a perfect shot off.

The fatal shot supposedly hits JFK in the back of the head, which somehow slams his head backwards in the direction the shot came from. The brain matter and blood shoots out the back of his head,......how is this possible ?? Have you ever shot ANYTHING ??

A Neck shot and a head shot on his 2nd and 3rd shots. And the neck shot not only goes in and out of JFK's neck, in and out of Connally's seat, in Connally's back, out his chest (breaking a rib on the way) and hits Connally's wrist. The bullet is later found to be in pristine condition.

[Pablo Fanque]

Originally Posted by DonkeyPuncher

Ok....then tell me why the entrance wound blew a hole in his head and the exit wound was a small hole. EVERYONE knows that a bullet compresses and sometimes shatters when traveling through human tissue and bone. So how would the bullet make this kind of entrance wound....The exit wound would have been much worse than the entrance. Did it flatten out in the air ?? Not possible

i don't know where the entrance and exit wounds were on the president. but i would agree w/you that, generally, one would expect the entrance wound to be small and the exit wound to be larger.

[WavSpartan]

Originally Posted by Sir William Wallace

for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. so, a shot to the back of the head could and would cause the head to snap backwards (toward the shot) when the bullet exits.

if you get rear-ended in your car, your head will go forward and then snap backward (toward the direction from where the blow/force came). i guarantee that.

my point: i wouldn't rule out oswald because the prexy's head snapped backward.

Have you ever shot a deer? Or a target?

Which way do they "snap"? Which way do they fall?

[Z.Cavaricci]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

A Neck shot and a head shot on his 2nd and 3rd shots. And the neck shot not only goes in and out of JFK's neck, in and out of Connally's seat, in Connally's back, out his chest (breaking a rib on the way) and hits Connally's wrist. The bullet is later found to be in pristine condition.

Which is not possible...that bullet would have been torn apart.

[Pablo Fanque]

Isn't Dealy Plaza a partially enclosed area? Why wouldn't sound echo off the walls/fence around it?

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by Hecklers Veto

For me it was one of the most compelling pieces of evidence - there was an army veteran on the hill who immediately hit the ground when he heard the gunshot. He states, in "The men who killed Kennedy" that it was his trained reaction at the sound of gun fire and that the gun shot came from behind him. He story is corroborated by another person in Dealy plaza who saw him hit the ground for cover. The story is also corroborated by the photo enhanced image of Badgeman shooting from over the fence on the grassy knoll.



New high res enhancement

I had seen the older photo, but never saw this new hi res version. Interesting.

[rob]

Originally Posted by Sir William Wallace

Isn't Dealy Plaza a partially enclosed area? Why wouldn't sound echo off the walls/fence around it?

Interesting theory, especially with all those people, clothes, grass and trees to absorb the the sound

[Pablo Fanque]

Originally Posted by Hecklers Veto

For me it was one of the most compelling pieces of evidence - there was an army veteran on the hill who immediately hit the ground when he heard the gunshot.

who took these photos? from what angle? i've never seen them before.

[WavSpartan]

Originally Posted by Sir William Wallace

Isn't Dealy Plaza a partially enclosed area? Why wouldn't sound echo off the walls/fence around it?

Enclosed????

[rob]

Originally Posted by Sir William Wallace

Isn't Dealy Plaza a partially enclosed area? Why wouldn't sound echo off the walls/fence around it?

Kind of makes you wonder who planned the route, why turn on to Houston St. in the first place? Why didn't they just continue straight and join Elm under the bridge?

[Pablo Fanque]

Originally Posted by rob

Interesting theory, especially with all those people, clothes, grass and trees to absorb the the sound

it's a depressed area partially enclosed by a concrete overpass, which if shots had come from the direction of the book depository, the sound(s) of the shot(s) could have echoed. i wouldn't rule that out.

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to make oswald the lone shooter. but i think he was involved.

[rob]

Originally Posted by Sir William Wallace

it's a depressed area partially enclosed by a concrete overpass, which if shots had come from the direction of the book depository, the sound(s) of the shot(s) could have echoed. i wouldn't rule that out.

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to make oswald the lone shooter. but i think he was involved.

You could be right, with the noise originating from the Depository, it would have bounced off that bldg and the other tall bldgs. close by......if a shot were actually fired from that direction. Personally I think that the Warren Commision Report is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the US public and the press/media should hang their heads in shame for allowing it to happen.

[WavSpartan]

Originally Posted by Sir William Wallace

it's a depressed area partially enclosed by a concrete overpass, which if shots had come from the direction of the book depository, the sound(s) of the shot(s) could have echoed. i wouldn't rule that out.

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to make oswald the lone shooter. but i think he was involved.

You really think hundreds of people started running up the hill to chase an echo? Including trained military personnel? Not to mention the eyewitnesses. I say case closed.

[Z.Cavaricci]

Originally Posted by WavSpartan

You really think hundreds of people started running up the hill to chase an echo? Including trained military personnel? Not to mention the eyewitnesses. I say case closed.

There were witneses that said they saw a gunflash/smoke from the fence though. Not just chasing an echo.

[WavSpartan]

Originally Posted by DonkeyPuncher

There were witneses that said they saw a gunflash/smoke from the fence though. Not just chasing an echo.

Right, I am saying we have eyewitnesses who see the flash, who see the people. We have other witnesses who hear the shots, who run up the hill. And these aren't 1 or 2 people, it's pretty much everybody who was there.

The most compelling evidence for me is this:

If Oswald was shooting him alone, why not just shoot him coming up Houston St. (a much easier shot)??? Why wait until he was that far away, and shoot through trees and and at a greater distance? The only logical reason is to wait for a triangulation of fire.

Look at the picture and tell me why he didn't just shoot him coming up Houston St.

[Pablo Fanque]

I just said that it could echo given the layout of the plaza.

If you shoot a rifle in densely forested area, it will echo all over the place. The sound won't be absorbed entirely by trees, etc.

I think it's quite possible there was a shooter from the grassy knoll area. But, I wouldn't rule out an echo.

[Z.Cavaricci]

Originally Posted by WavSpartan

Right, I am saying we have eyewitnesses who see the flash, who see the people. We have other witnesses who hear the shots, who run up the hill. And these aren't 1 or 2 people, it's pretty much everybody who was there.

The most compelling evidence for me is this:

If Oswald was shooting him alone, why not just shoot him coming up Houston St. (a much easier shot)??? Why wait until he was that far away, and shoot through trees and and at a greater distance? The only logical reason is to wait for a triangulation of fire.

Look at the picture and tell me why he didn't just shoot him coming up Houston St.

I agree. I dont see how people dont realize something is very very fishy. IMO I dont think there is any way in hell Oswald shot the fatal shot. Unless of course he was somewhere in front of the limo :D

[rob]

[QUOTE] Who killed President Kennedy [/QUOTE]

That bastard!