Who killed President Kennedy

[RQA]

If I tell you which Z-frame demonstrates the 2nd shot, will you guys tell me in which frame the poison dart hit JFK?

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by RQA

If I tell you which Z-frame demonstrates the 2nd shot, will you guys tell me in which frame the poison dart hit JFK?

Did Spartanic claim that?

Please just answer the very simple question.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Did Spartanic claim that?

Please just answer the very simple question.

I am still waiting for you to answer questions I asked you on July 5!

But I know the conspiracy nut routine by now, you only ask questions but never answer them

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Did Spartanic claim that?

Please just answer the very simple question.

RQA brought up the poison dart thing. I am still trying to focus on the Zapruder Frame where the Magic Bullet supposedley hit both men.

Nobody wants to pick that frame.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

RQA brought up the poison dart thing. I am still trying to focus on the Zapruder Frame where the Magic Bullet supposedley hit both men.

Nobody wants to pick that frame.

Since we know that a single bullet caused both JFKs back and neck wounds and all of Connally wounds, deciphering the exact Z-frame when this happened is of academic interest only and likely impossible to know exactly as we cannot know for sure which movements are voluntary, which are voluntary reactions to the bullet and which are involuntary reactions to the bullet, at least for the initial movements anyway.

But I am willing to play along and state that frame 210 is a likely candidate.

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by RQA

Since we know that a single bullet caused both JFKs back and neck wounds and all of Connally wounds, deciphering the exact Z-frame when this happened is of academic interest only and likely impossible to know exactly as we cannot know for sure which movements are voluntary, which are voluntary reactions to the bullet and which are involuntary reactions to the bullet, at least for the initial movements anyway.

But I am willing to play along and state that frame 210 is a likely candidate.

JFK and Connally are not aligned properly in z210 for th Magic Bullet trajectory.
Not even close.

The Magic Bullet has to travel through JFK's body and out the center of his neck in a Right-to-Left trajectory (with respect to JFK).
This means Connally's Right armpit needs to be several inches to the left of JFK's centerline for this bullet to hit him at the location of his actual back wound. If you looked at a diagram of the 2 men from an overhead view, this places Connally near the center of the Limo, with part of his body off the (20 inch wide) Jumpseat.
This is in direct contradiction with the photograpic evidence. Connally is never in this required position during the shooting sequence when the Magic Bullet would have to have been fired.

Note position of JFK and Connally moments before the shooting sequence.

Watch z187 through z203. Connally is sitting facing forward, back against his seat, with his right shoulder almost touching the right side of the Limo (Much like the photo above). He does not change his body position during this sequence. After 203, Connally disappears behind the sign.
JfK is likewise sitting with his back against his seat, and body very close to the side of the Limo. JFK's head is visible through z207. Again, there is no change in body position during the sequence through z207.
At frame z210, Connally is barely over 1/3 of a second (7 frames) since his last zFrame position. JFK is 1/6 of a second (3 frames) since his last zFrame position.

Obviously both men are in the same position at z210 as when we last observed them a tiny fraction of a second earlier. Furthermore, both men's bodies are in almost the exact same locations when they emerge from behind the sign in z223 and z225.

The 2 men were out of view for barely a second. They were in basically the same positions before and after the sign, as the Zapruder film and other photos show.

There are other reasons to disqualify z210 as the Magic Bullet frame, but photo evidence of the relative alignment of the two men by itself is enough to show the Magic Bullet could not have happened at z210.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

JFK and Connally are not aligned properly in z210 for th Magic Bullet trajectory.
Not even close.

The Magic Bullet has to travel through JFK's body and out the center of his neck in a Right-to-Left trajectory (with respect to JFK).

Yet another basic mistake. The bullet did not exit the center of his neck. It exited from the right of center. The wound was extended by the Parkland doctors across the midline to perform a tracheostomy. so your theory here is already off to an incorrect start. But then, CNs, have never been hesitant to manipulate the evidence

This means Connally's Right armpit needs to be several inches to the left of JFK's centerline for this bullet to hit him at the location of his actual back wound.

Which it was.....

If you looked at a diagram of the 2 men from an overhead view, this places Connally near the center of the Limo, with part of his body off the (20 inch wide) Jumpseat.

you mean like Groden's fantasy diagram I posted earlier. If you have such a diagram we would love to see it!

This is in direct contradiction with the photograpic evidence. Connally is never in this required position during the shooting sequence when the Magic Bullet would have to have been fired.

Again either a bald-faced lie or ignorance on your part. There are multiple photos and film frames showing the correct position of the two men, which is Connally to the inside and below JFK.

Note position of JFK and Connally moments before the shooting sequence.

It shows Connally inboard and below JFK!! Just as they need to be for the SBT.

Watch z187 through z203. Connally is sitting facing forward, back against his seat, with his right shoulder almost touching the right side of the Limo (Much like the photo above). He does not change his body position during this sequence. After 203, Connally disappears behind the sign.

This is getting funnier and funnier. Connally's shoulder is NOT almost touching the side of the limo!

JfK is likewise sitting with his back against his seat, and body very close to the side of the Limo. JFK's head is visible through z207. Again, there is no change in body position during the sequence through z207.

You almost got this right. Just eliminate the word "likewise". You have to because Connally was sitting on a jumpseat positioned inboard and lower than JFK, not "likewise"

At frame z210, Connally is barely over 1/3 of a second (7 frames) since his last zFrame position. JFK is 1/6 of a second (3 frames) since his last zFrame position.

Obviously both men are in the same position at z210 as when we last observed them a tiny fraction of a second earlier. Furthermore, both men's bodies are in almost the exact same locations when they emerge from behind the sign in z223 and z225.

The 2 men were out of view for barely a second. They were in basically the same positions before and after the sign, as the Zapruder film and other photos show.

There are other reasons to disqualify z210 as the Magic Bullet frame, but photo evidence of the relative alignment of the two men by itself is enough to show the Magic Bullet could not have happened at z210.

You have left out (again no surprise) the fact that Connally's torso was turning during this sequence.

Your whole post here is conspiracy nut thinking at it's finist. You take what you what to believe and change the evidence to fit it. For those following along: Spart left out the mulitple photos and film frames that show the correct alignment, he didnt post his "overhead" diagram he claims to have to support his theory, and he lies about what the picture he posted actually shows! Connally's shoulder against the side of the limo...give me a break!

[RQA]

Originally Posted by RQA

For those following along, this is the overhead diagram that Spart and his fellow conspiracy nuts use to support their version of the story.

[Al Czervik]

Very interesting. Even at Democratic Underground, the posters are very split on this issue.
does anyone here buy the magic bullet theory in the JFK murder?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Very interesting. Even at Democratic Underground, the posters are very split on this issue.
does anyone here buy the magic bullet theory in the JFK murder?

If you look truthfully at the evidence there really is no other conclusion to make other than tht the men were hit by a single bullet.

Your web link is full of conspiracy nut myths, lies and misrepresentations. Sort of a 40-year summary of conspiracy factoids, all of which have long been debunked. Unless you want to argue that Oswald was a poor shot

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by RQA

Yet another basic mistake. The bullet did not exit the center of his neck. It exited from the right of center. The wound was extended by the Parkland doctors across the midline to perform a tracheostomy. so your theory here is already off to an incorrect start. But then, CNs, have never been hesitant to manipulate the evidence

2 Parkland Doctors and a Nurse describe what they saw:

* Dr. CARRICO: This was probably a 4-7 mm. wound, almost in the midline, maybe a little to the right of the midline, and below the thyroid cartilage. (6H3)
* Nurse HENCHLIFFE: It was just a little hole in the middle of his neck. . . . About as big around as the end of my little finger. (6H141)
* Dr. CRENSHAW: There was a small, round opening in the front of the midline of the throat.

If you have evidence that contradicts the statements of the medical personnel who actually saw the JFK throat wound, let's see it.

Originally Posted by RQA;

... If you have such a diagram we would love to see it!...

I accept your challenge. I have one condition though: we BOTH post diagrams showing the overhead view that shows the Right-to-Left trajectory of the Magic Bullet. I think this would be an excellent way to resolve this issue. Here is your opportunity to show exactly how you think it happened. But Remember: Overhead view. ( No more of these deceptive Meyers/Lattimer/Specter/Posner side views that mask the right to left trajectory). Overhead view, looking down.

Based on your past history, I am predicting you will not post such a diagram.

Originally Posted by RQA;

Again either a bald-faced lie or ignorance on your part. There are multiple photos and film frames showing the correct position of the two men, which is Connally to the inside and below JFK.
It shows Connally inboard and below JFK!! Just as they need to be for the SBT.

Can you Post the photographic evidence that shows this?

Originally Posted by RQA;

You have left out (again no surprise) the fact that Connally's torso was turning during this sequence...

Post the photographic evidence that shows this.

I specifically referenced the Zapruder film frames that precede and follow z210. Did you even look at the Zapruder frames? Those frames prove that Connally has just barely twisted his torso by z224 (an insignificant amount as regards the Magic Bullet theory). He is basically sitting with his back on the seat, close to the right side of the Limo during the entire sequence from z187 to z224. If you have photos that show otherwise, let's see them.

My post featured photo evidence (and links to photo evidence). Your reply did not contain any evidence. Your arguments are fairly worthless if you do not have any support for them. In other words, the evidence I presented stands uncontested.

[Lochgelly]

Originally Posted by RQA

If you look truthfully at the evidence there really is no other conclusion to make other than tht the men were hit by a single bullet.

If you look truthfully at the evidence there really is no other conclusion to make other than Kennedy was hit from the right front (probably from the sewer) as his head goes back and to the left and his brain splatters over the left and back of the car. I really think it is clear that Jackie was not trying to get out of the car...in that warped moment she is trying to gather up Kennedys brains so she can put them back in his head. If you honestly look atthe Zapruder film you can come to NO other conclusion.

[EComCon]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Very interesting. Even at Democratic Underground, the posters are very split on this issue.
does anyone here buy the magic bullet theory in the JFK murder?

One of the top researchers into the JFK case Dr Gary Aguilar gives his theory of why the "left" tends to support the lone gunman story here.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Here is your opportunity to show exactly how you think it happened. But Remember: Overhead view. ( No more of these deceptive Meyers/Lattimer/Specter/Posner side views that mask the right to left trajectory). Overhead view, looking down.

So much wrong in your post, and I will get to it when I have some free time, but for now I will leave you with this:

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by RQA

So much wrong in your post, and I will get to it when I have some free time, but for now I will leave you with this:

That diagram is laughable. the shots didn't come from the far left side of the 6th floor (it was the far right side if you believe the WC claims) also with a 17 degree downward slope there is No way that bullet hits the gov's wrist.

[Spartanic]

Graphic submitted by RQA to support Magic Bullet at Z-210:


Below is a Zapruder frame about 1 sec before z210

Note you can see Connally's right shoulder near (possibly touching) the inside of the Limo door. Also note his torso is not rotated in his seat.

Regarding the top Graphic posted originally by RQA:

I have examined the Overhead Graphic you posted from "Skeptical Inquirer" Magazine. This graphic is a good example of misinformation that arises from lack of attention to detail, or possibly just someone manipulating a Graphic to suit their agenda. There are serious problems with this graphic that render it useless.

I tested the Graphic against the known dimensions of the Limo, the known angle of a bullet trajectory from the Sniper's Nest to JFK at z210, and the known locations of the wounds. I was able to create a scale of measurements by using the exact known width of the Jumpseat as a basis.

Here are some of the results:
1. The distance between the backseat and the jumpseat is incorrect. It is 32.3", but it should be 29".
2. The gap between the side of the jumpseat and the door is way off: It is 5.1 inches; it should be 2.5 inches.
3. The figures of Connally and JFK are oversized relative to the dimensions of the Limo. For instance, JFK's Head Diameter (front to back) is roughly 12 inches! The shoulder breadth of both men is too large. (Close to 26" for Connally; several inches wider for JFK).
4. The thick yellow line representing the bullet path is roughly 1.5 inches wide! That is close to 6 times the width of the Magic Bullet... So is the actual bullet path at the top of the yellow line, the bottom or somewhere in between?
5. Amazingly, the thick yellow line still manages to miss the known location of the throat wound, being drawn to far to JFK's right.
6. The Connally figure is rotated too far (Compared to the images of Connally in the zapruder frames leading up to z210). In the Z film frames Connally's head is indeed looking toward Zapruder, but the torso appears to be against, or close to straight against the back of his seat (again, z187-z200).
7. The midpoint of Connally's right shoulder is close to 12 inches from the inside door of the Limo. The z photos show the distance to be about 6 inches or less.
8. The trajectory angle of the Magic bullet from the Snipers Nest is too small.
9. The figures are drawn "in space" with a minimum of reference objects around them.

A big Part of the problem is this graphic is supposed to represent a later frame in the Zapruder film, rather than z10, as noted by the magazine article's author. That accounts for the incorrect trajectory angle, but it raises the question: why would anyone use this graphic to support the Magic Bullet at z210 ...?

The incorrect angle of the bullet; the over-sized figures; the incorrect measurements of the Limo; the random rotation and placement of Connally; The sum of all these errors result in a significantly distorted graphic that has no value to the Magic Bullet Discussion. To the contrary, it creates the impression that adherents of the Magic Bullet theory are desparate enough to submit graphics with glaring errors, since an accurate graphic would shoot down the whole theory.

Note: I will post some more overhead graphics on Saturday when I have time.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

I have one condition though: we BOTH post diagrams showing the overhead view that shows the Right-to-Left trajectory of the Magic Bullet. I think this would be an excellent way to resolve this issue. Here is your opportunity to show exactly how you think it happened. But Remember: Overhead view. ( No more of these deceptive Meyers/Lattimer/Specter/Posner side views that mask the right to left trajectory). Overhead view, looking down.

Based on your past history, I am predicting you will not post such a diagram.

You fail your own "condition"!

I responded with a diagram in my very next post showing the viablility of the single bullet fact.

Your response? No diagram.

How funny is that?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Note: I will post some more overhead graphics on Saturday when I have time.

Some more?

You haven't posted even one yet!!!

[Spartanic]

Here are the Overhead Graphics of the Limo, customized with the correct trajectory angle for z210. The Graphics all show the complete passenger compartment of the Limo containing the Jumpseats and the backseat. The Graphics are based on the limo graphic used by the WC, and the HCSA, so all features and dimensions are accurate.
The bullet trajectory is aligned through the back and neck wounds of JFK. Also, the bullet trajectory is intended only to account for the bullet path through JFK's neck and JBC's chest. The wrist and thigh wound require the use of separate side view graphics.

I want to emphasize that none of these Graphics support the SBT. To the contrary, each graphic shows visually why the Magic Bullet could not have happened. A short discussion accompanies each graphic.

Graphic #1: This shows where Connally would have to be sitting for the his back and Chest wound to align with the Bullet Trajectory.


The problem here is that JBC is not sitting in his seat! There is a 7.5 inch Gap between the two jumpseats. JBC would literally have one bun on the jumpseat and the other in the gap. Also, he would be right next to Nellie. There is no photo evidence from any source in Dealy Plaza that show this. Some graphic artists try to get around this by turning JBC sideways so that he is facing the side of the Limo. This also fails the reality of the photo evidence. And rotating JBC to the right also moves the Chest Exit wound proportionately to the left, something we know cannot happen.
Diagram below shows actual location of JBC Back Entry and Chest Exit Wounds:


Graphic #2: This shows where Connally would have been hit if he were sitting aligned with his seat and facing forward.

The Bullet wounds here would obviously be on the wrong side of his body.

Graphic #3: Shows JBC partially rotated and 6" to the left of JFK.


This is an attempt to try and Make the Magic Bullet work (within the confines of the photo evidence.) JBC is partially rotated and his midline is 6 inches to the left of JFK's midline. The wounds are still in the wrong place. Note that the more you rotate Connally, the further the chest exit wound moves away from it's true location.

Conclusion: The Magic Bullet theory at z210 fails to conform with the known evidence.

[RQA]

Several errors both in fact and logic permeate your post. I will list them.
1. The accepted angle of trajectory for a bullet from the TSBD to the limo is 10 degrees ( lessening as the limo proceeds down Elm). The angle of trajectory in your graphics is greater than 10 degrees which incorrectly puts theoretical wounds more to Connally's left than a trajectory at the correct angle.
2. All of your graphics support the SBT! You have unwittngly shown that any bullet hitting JFK from behind has nowhere else to go but to hit Connally.
3. Your graphic #1 comes closest to correctly postioning Connally. Your attempt to place him so far to the left that half his cheek would be off the seat is a gross misrepresentation however. Photos from directly in front of the limo, show Connally almost to the midline of the limo as it proceeded down Elm. He clearly turned to the right, likely in response to hearing shots from behind, and in so doing rotated his bottom around on the jump seat. It is not necessary to put him in that absurd position you show in graphic #1 to put him in the correct alignment.
4. Your own witness, Dr. Carrico, stated that the throat wound was to the right of the midline, which further moves the line of trajectory to the right
5. Please account for the bullet that hit JFK from behind. It was not in JFK. If it did not hit Connally (you show no graphic showing otherwise) where did it go? It was not found in the limo. There was no damage to the limo consistent with a bullet hitting it along these lines of trajectory. This is the true magic bullet. A bullet that passes through JFK at a high velocity and then simply disappears!!

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by RQA

Several errors both in fact and logic permeate your post. I will list them.
1. The accepted angle of trajectory for a bullet from the TSBD to the limo is 10 degrees ( lessening as the limo proceeds down Elm). The angle of trajectory in your graphics is greater than 10 degrees which incorrectly puts theoretical wounds more to Connally's left than a trajectory at the correct angle....

What is your source for the angle? 10 degrees from the Limo at z210 places the Dal-Tex Building as the Point of Origin of the Magic Bullet. Cool!
I did measurements off my Digital Survey Map of Dealy Plaza and got 13 degrees. The HSCA also places the angle at 13 degrees. (*Interesting story behind this. The bullet path through JFK is actually 18 degrees, right to left. But that would have placed the shooter several windows away from the Snipers Nest Window, so they agreed that JFK's torso must have been rotated 5 degrees. That led directly back to the Snipers Nest Window, so they chose 13 degrees! But it does agree with my measurements .

Originally Posted by RQA

2. All of your graphics support the SBT! You have unwittngly shown that any bullet hitting JFK from behind has nowhere else to go but to hit Connally.

Any hit anywhere on Connally.... shouldn't we agree that the bullet has to enter through the entry wound by the right armpit?

3. Your graphic #1 comes closest to correctly postioning Connally. Your attempt to place him so far to the left that half his cheek would be off the seat is a gross misrepresentation however. Photos from directly in front of the limo, show Connally almost to the midline of the limo as it proceeded down Elm. He clearly turned to the right, likely in response to hearing shots from behind, and in so doing rotated his bottom around on the jump seat. It is not necessary to put him in that absurd position you show in graphic #1 to put him in the correct alignment.

I would love to see these photos. Can you post them?

4. Your own witness, Dr. Carrico, stated that the throat wound was to the right of the midline, which further moves the line of trajectory to the right

Carrico place the throat wound "... almost in the midline, maybe a little to the right of the midline,..." So he is substantially in agreement with the other Doctor and Nurse who specified the Midline. BTW, the HCSA panel placed the throat wound just to the LEFT of the Midline. Good enough for everyone to agree?

5. Please account for the bullet that hit JFK from behind. It was not in JFK. If it did not hit Connally (you show no graphic showing otherwise) where did it go? It was not found in the limo. There was no damage to the limo consistent with a bullet hitting it along these lines of trajectory. This is the true magic bullet. A bullet that passes through JFK at a high velocity and then simply disappears!!

That is not the only bullet that is unaccounted for. As for what happened to All the Bullets, we need to check with the guys who cleansed the Limo.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

What is your source for the angle? 10 degrees from the Limo at z210 places the Dal-Tex Building as the Point of Origin of the Magic Bullet. Cool!
I did measurements off my Digital Survey Map of Dealy Plaza and got 13 degrees. The HSCA also places the angle at 13 degrees. (*Interesting story behind this. The bullet path through JFK is actually 18 degrees, right to left. But that would have placed the shooter several windows away from the Snipers Nest Window, so they agreed that JFK's torso must have been rotated 5 degrees. That led directly back to the Snipers Nest Window, so they chose 13 degrees! But it does agree with my measurements .

The problem with this analysis is that it places the shooter not IN the Dal-Tex Building but over 100 feet ABOVE it!! Now the conspiracy nut side not only has a magic disappearing bullet but also a levitating assassin!

This is obviously impossible (at least to me, maybe not to a CN). But what it does point out the need to properly orient the two men in all dimensions.

Any hit anywhere on Connally.... shouldn't we agree that the bullet has to enter through the entry wound by the right armpit?

Yes! but as Connally rotates that armpit moves towards the midline of the limo.

I would love to see these photos. Can you post them?

Sure

Carrico place the throat wound "... almost in the midline, maybe a little to the right of the midline,..." So he is substantially in agreement with the other Doctor and Nurse who specified the Midline. BTW, the HCSA panel placed the throat wound just to the LEFT of the Midline. Good enough for everyone to agree?

Can I hold you to this same standard of eyewitness testimony when it comes time to discuss the rest of the wounds?

That is not the only bullet that is unaccounted for. As for what happened to All the Bullets, we need to check with the guys who cleansed the Limo.

I am not asking you to account for all of the bullets. Only the one that entered JFKs back on a downward trajectory. Can you provide a diagram that shows how it would miss Connally AND cause no damage to the limo? Because that is what you are asking me to believe.

Are you now claiming that the FBI agents (and we know their names) who examined the limo for evidence after the crime are part of the conspiracy?

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by RQA

The problem with this analysis is that it places the shooter not IN the Dal-Tex Building but over 100 feet ABOVE it!! Now the conspiracy nut side not only has a magic disappearing bullet but also a levitating assassin!

This is obviously impossible (at least to me, maybe not to a CN). But what it does point out the need to properly orient the two men in all dimensions.

The Levitating Assassin happens only when we used your angle of 10 degrees.
The original discussion was to try and show how the magic bullet could not have resulted from a shot from the Snipers Nest at frame z210. That is why I chose 13 degrees as the proper angle.

Can I hold you to this same standard of eyewitness testimony when it comes time to discuss the rest of the wounds? ...

There is substantial agreement from all parties on the location of the throat wound.

Concerning the Back Wound and Head wounds, there is substantial disagreement involving many of the eyewitnesses, Medical Staff, and Autopsy participants.

I am not asking you to account for all of the bullets. Only the one that entered JFKs back on a downward trajectory. Can you provide a diagram that shows how it would miss Connally AND cause no damage to the limo? Because that is what you are asking me to believe.

I could provide a couple of possible scenarios:
1. The Bullet that causes the back wound never left JFK's body. This is what most likely happened.
2. A shot fired from the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tex building and entering JFK's back , deflects upwards and slightly to the left, exits JFK's throat, continues upward over JBC's shoulder and hits the windshield frame near the rear view mirror causing the dent, or perhaps clears the windshield frame completely.

Are you now claiming that the FBI agents (and we know their names) who examined the limo for evidence after the crime are part of the conspiracy?

It's possible that those agents were involved in the coverup, but it is also possible they were not. The FBI agents did not examine the Limo until 12:00 midnight. The SS Agent (Kinney) who drove the Limo away from Parkland would be the first one who had the chance to remove/alter/plant evidence before other parties became involved. It would be interesting to know the names of everyone who had access to the Limo between the time it left Parkland in the afternoon and the 12 midnight examination by the FBI.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

The Levitating Assassin happens only when we used your angle of 10 degrees.
The original discussion was to try and show how the magic bullet could not have resulted from a shot from the Snipers Nest at frame z210. That is why I chose 13 degrees as the proper angle.

The history of this, of course, is substantially different. The original claim by the CNs was that the SBT couldn't happen because of the position of the men. I previously posted Groden's picture where he improperly positioned Connally directly in front of JFK which then led to the idea of a "magic" bullet as seen in the movie "JFK" (and as the magic noogie in Seinfeld). When "outed" on that one the CNs now want to move Connally to an absurd position too far to the middle of the limo and use a trajectory angle that is too severe. Modern analysis of DP shows a angle of 11.5 degrees for a shot at Z-210 from the snipers nest.

There is substantial agreement from all parties on the location of the throat wound.

Only if you accept "to the left of the midline", "midline" and "to the right of the midline" as "substantial agreement"

Concerning the Back Wound and Head wounds, there is substantial disagreement involving many of the eyewitnesses, Medical Staff, and Autopsy participants.

Suddenly similar "agreement" becomes "disgreement" when it suits your needs. I agree that the eyewitness reports are inconsistent. That is why there is now replay review in football, That is why we have autopsies in crimes.

I could provide a couple of possible scenarios:
1. The Bullet that causes the back wound never left JFK's body. This is what most likely happened.

Absolutely ridiculous. Other than fragments in JFKs head, a bullet was not recovered from his body. Therefore it left his body.

2. A shot fired from the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tex building and entering JFK's back , deflects upwards and slightly to the left, exits JFK's throat, continues upward over JBC's shoulder and hits the windshield frame near the rear view mirror causing the dent, or perhaps clears the windshield frame completely.

Again, a ridiculous theory. We know the path of the bullet from the autopsy. It was a straight path from back to front. No deflections.

It's possible that those agents were involved in the coverup, but it is also possible they were not. The FBI agents did not examine the Limo until 12:00 midnight. The SS Agent (Kinney) who drove the Limo away from Parkland would be the first one who had the chance to remove/alter/plant evidence before other parties became involved. It would be interesting to know the names of everyone who had access to the Limo between the time it left Parkland in the afternoon and the 12 midnight examination by the FBI.

It is reprehensible to accuse Mr. Kinney of being an accessory to murder.

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by RQA

It is reprehensible to accuse Mr. Kinney of being an accessory to murder.