Who killed President Kennedy

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Where is your graphic?
You said you would post your graphic. It has been several weeks. You have not. We all know the reason: You don't have one.

The fact that you believe such a graphic does not exist points to the limited knowledge you apparently have of the actual facts of the case. Anyone who studies this case with an open mind would know such a graphic exists. Apparently you only read the conspiracy nut literature.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Using these diagrams for this purpose is more deception because it assumes that the shoulder width is the same as the chest width and that the upper torso rotates inline with the lower torso.

Of course each is wrong assumption.

My graphic will accurately account for these issues and show that the SBT is indeed possible.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Where is the graphic?

[Spartanic]

Comments on the Bugliosi Book (Fred Kuentz) Graphic:

1. The Graphic does not reference an actual Zapruder frame. The side note states "somewhere within a split second of frame z-210". This is basically saying the graphic is a "generic" reference to any frame from z-192 to z-228.
Magic Bullet Theorists have never been able to find a Zapruder frame where the Magic Bullet will work. Bugliosi tries to avoid this problem by simply not addressing it. The Z frame reference is very important regarding the trajectory of the bullet. As the Limo proceeds down Elm Street (away from the Snipers Nest) the Horizontal angle between the 6th floor window and the Limo is constantly changing. It is not possible for one trajectory to represent all the different trajectories during that frame sequence.
2. The location of the exit wound on JBC's front chest is roughly 4" away from the actual location of the exit wound. How many years did Bugliosi spend on this book? After all that time, he comes up with a bullet trajectory that misses Connally's chest exit wound.
3. The angle of the proposed path of the Magic Bullet is way off. By itself, this renders the graphic useless. With reference to the Limo, this graphic shows the bullet coming in at an 8 degree angle! This is not a true angle at any time during the sequence from z190 to z228. This is a shameless attempt at deception.
At z190, the angle is about 14 degrees. The angle decreases gradually to about 11.5 degrees at z228. We do not see an angle of 8 degrees until close to the headshot around z313.
4. JFK is "crammed" into the corner of the Limo. Note specifically how JFK is drawn as leaning on the top of the side of the vehicle with his armpit actually resting over the side of the Limo. There is no photo evidence to support JFK in this position during the specified z frame sequence. In the Zapruder frames, JFK is visible sitting in a relaxed, upright position with his elbow resting on the side of the Limo. There simply is no z frame or other photo during the shooting sequence that show his armpit on the side of the car. The motive here is obvious: Cram JFK as far to his right as possible to try and "steer" the bullet trajectory to the desired location.
To try and coverup this manipulation, the author gives JFK a larger-than-life upper body. At 6' and 170 pounds, JFK was a bit smaller than JBC, but you would not know that from this graphic. This graphic shows JFK with a wingspan that measures roughly 7 feet. That is the same wingspan as Idong Ibok on the basketball team.
5. This is not an accurate graphic of the Limo, but another "artistic rendering" of the Limo. .
Why do SBT authors refuse to use the readily available Blueprints of the Limo that have the exact measurements and proportions? The Limo provides a strategic reference system in the positioning of the the occupants and the trajectory of the Bullets. Manipulating the measurements and proportions of the Limo causes inaccuraces. A few inches off can have a big impact.
Example:
- The interior width of the limo is 3-4 inches short (about 56.5" when it should be 60"). These discrepancies are important because they illustrate a lack of attention to detail in a matter where the details are very important.

Summary: This graphic is intentionally deceptive. The horizontal angle of the bullet leads directly back to the Dal-Tex building, not the TSBD. JFK is stuffed into the corner of the back seat, several inches away from his actual position in the z frame photos. Even with these manipulations, the proposed bullet trajectory still fails to pass through Connallys known wounds. Bugliosi joins the list of authors (Specter, Lattimer, Posner, Meyers) who have intentionally manipulated evidence and lied to try and deceive their readers into accepting the Magic Bullet Theory.

[RQA]

Predictable response and predictably pathetic in so many ways.

First: you were on your soapbox confidently proclaiming that there were no overhead graphics outlining the SBT. I told you I had one, yet you continued on making that claim only to be embarrassed when I finally decided the time had come to own you once again.

Second: you continue to misunderstand the Z-film and so your attempts to concoct a conspiracy from it are completely misdirected. The Z-film is limited by its quality and by the technology of the day. It has been proven without any doubt that LHO was the sole killer WITHOUT even looking at the Z-film. Therefore any conclusion that the Z-film proves a conspiracy shows either a misinterpretation or a misrepresentation of it.

Third: you apparently do not understant the graphic I posted nor the context under which it was created. You make simpleton mistakes like assuming the limo was exactly perpendicular to the TSBD. You fail to use photogrammetry in making your "measurements" and therefore continue to make additional simple mistakes in interpreting the realative postions of the men and dimensions within the limo.

Fourth: you apparently want to draw a line from the TSBD to JFK and Connally when the correct thing to do is to align the wounds from Connallys back wound to JFKs throat wound to JFKs back wound and then extend that line out and see where it goes. When you do that properly that line takes you directly back to the 6th floor of the TSBD. The graphic I posted is part of a larger reconstruction of Dealey Plaza created to the exact dimensions supplied by the US Geoglogical Survey, the limo recreated from FordMoCo specs. This allows the limo to be placed within the exact context of Dealey Plaza with an accuracy of 1-2 meters.

Fifth: adding to the list of people whose integrity you impugn is Dr. Latimer. He is a world renown expert on the Lincoln and Kennedy assassination. Recently deceased. A bit off-topic but one of the funniest things I have seen about the JFK assassination is a video of Dr. Latimer squeezing 3 shots off from a M-C rifle in about 5 seconds thus destroying one of the sacred creeds of the conspiracy nut that the shots couldn't have been made in time. The funny part when Dr. Latimer finishes his shots he says: "and I am an 80 year old man!"

I think my experts easily trump the credibility of your experts, White and Groden.

Sixth: you lie about the location of Connally's wound. Either that or you are completely unable to understand the basic anatomical fact that the width of one's shoulders is not the same as the width of one's chest.

Seventh: you FAIL to create any alternative to the SBT that is remotely believeable. Be my guest to provide one for those reading along. Please be sure to explain the origin of the oblong entrance wound in Connallys back and where the shooter had to be to miss JFK in the process.

Good Luck

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by RQA

Second: you continue to misunderstand the Z-film and so your attempts to concoct a conspiracy from it are completely misdirected. The Z-film is limited by its quality and by the technology of the day. It has been proven without any doubt that LHO was the sole killer WITHOUT even looking at the Z-film. Therefore any conclusion that the Z-film proves a conspiracy shows either a misinterpretation or a misrepresentation of it.

Yeah, don't believe what your eyes see!



Man you are

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Yeah, don't believe what your eyes see!



Man you are

My eyes see a face carved in a rock on Mars. Must be aleins there.

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by RQA

My eyes see a face carved in a rock on Mars. Must be aleins there.

Just proves how dumb and naive you really are.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Just proves how dumb and naive you really are.

If you think the Z-film proves a shot from the front due to the snap back of JFKs head, that is absolute proof of how dumb you are.

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by RQA

If I think the Z-film proves a shot from the back due to the jet effect, that is absolute proof of how dumb I am.

fixed it

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Knowing nothing about basic physics, yet still believing the Z-flim shows a shot from the the front, just proves how dumb and naive I really am.

fixed it.

[EComCon]

Jefferson Morley: 'Denied in Full': Federal Judges Grill CIA Lawyers on JFK Secrets - Politics on The Huffington Post

Posted October 22, 2007 | 05:10 PM (EST)

Lawyers for the Central Intelligence Agency faced pointed questions in a federal court hearing Monday morning about the agency's efforts to block disclosure of long-secret records about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Three appellate judges probed for explanations of the agency's rationale for withholding records concerning a deceased undercover CIA officer named George Joannides whose role in the events of 1963 remains unexplained.

George Joannides (center) in Vietnam in 1973.

For the past three and a half years, CIA has blocked the release of the Joannides files, denying my Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request and spurning scholarly appeals for full disclosure. At stake is the viability of the 1992 JFK Assassination Records Act, which mandates the immediate review, and release of all government records related to Kennedy's murder in Dallas on November 22, 1963. One of the strongest open government measures ever enacted, the future of the JFK Act is now in question as the CIA seeks judicial permission to defy its provisions.

The three-judge panel, chaired by Judge Karen Henderson, heard oral arguments in the federal courthouse here about whether the FOIA requires release of the records, most of which are more than 40 years old. These records were never shared with any JFK assassination investigation..

Gordon Campbell and George Joannides at the Ambassador Hotel

Now, stop and think. If the assassination of JFK was really carried out by Oswald, there would be no need tor any secrecy. Every bit of factual evidence would support the official story, so there would be no need to conceal anything, certainly this many years after the fact.
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Midwest Today | WHO KILLED DOROTHY KILGALLEN?

YouTube - What's My Line ? Milton Berle Panelist 10/17/65 Part 1

During her 35-year career as a gossip columnist, crime reporter and panelist on the weekly TV game show, "What's My Line?," Dorothy Kilgallen ("Dolly Mae" to her friends), was a fearless journalist who broke major stories, and was the only reporter to interview Lee Harvey Oswald's killer, Jack Ruby. Her biggest case yet -- investigating President John F. Kennedy's assassination, and finding fault with the official story -- became the last one she ever pursued. She died mysteriously in November 1965, after being threatened, but the cops never probed further. Thanks to reruns on the Game Show Network, fans are still talking about Dorothy, including Larry King of CNN, and Dominick Dunne, who wrote about her in Vanity Fair. Now, shocking new information has emerged..

The best evidence to suggest that the several drugs found in Dorothy's blood were not self-administered is that only one drug, the one she normally took, was on the glass on the nightstand..

Dorothy's inquiry into Jack Ruby's ties to the mob, and her relentless exploration of the Warren Report's gross inadequacies, threatened to expose dark secrets that powerful people both in and out of government did not want revealed. Documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act confirm that the FBI perceived her exposés as enough of a threat that they monitored her closely.

Incredibly, the CIA had 53 field offices around the world watching her on her foreign travels. Given this context, it is hard to see her untimely death as a mere accident.

There is no statute of limitations on murder, and there are enough people alive who could be questioned. But will there be enough interest by the powers that be to pursue this? As Dorothy once reflected, "Justice is a big rug. When you pull it out from under one person, a lot of others fall, too." Justice needs to be done in this case.

Copyright 2007 by Midwest Today. All rights reserved.

YouTube - What's My Line ? After death of Dorothy Kilgallen Part 1

xymphora: The assassination of Dorothy Kilgallen
The assassination of Dorothy Kilgallen
Dorothy Kilgallen

[Toolman]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Looks like we have 2 people that are damn fools. There is no way that Oswald could have done the shooting on his own.

George W Bush shot him

[Lochgelly]

Originally Posted by RQA

If you think the Z-film proves a shot from the front due to the snap back of JFKs head, that is absolute proof of how dumb you are.

No matter how many times you say this...it won't change reality

[Al Czervik]

Why Is the CIA Suppressing JFK Files?
Consortiumnews.com

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Lochgelly

No matter how many times you say this...it won't change reality

It isn't me saying it that makes it reality, it is physics (and basic physics at that).

That you don't understand this, ought to embarass you.

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Why Is the CIA Suppressing JFK Files?
Consortiumnews.com

Exactly.

George Bush 1 refused to sign the FOIA. This gave the agency 18 months headstart to "deal" with the eventual FOIA when it would be signed by the next incoming President.

To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, "if LHO is the lone assassin, where is the national security risk?"*

*this was in reference to Chief Justice Warren claiming that some documents regarding the assassination could not be released because of risks to national security.

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Why Is the CIA Suppressing JFK Files?
Consortiumnews.com

Finally RQA has left the building......all I hear is crickets

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Why Is the CIA Suppressing JFK Files?
Consortiumnews.com

Conspiracy nut logic never ceases to amaze and amuse me.

So we are expected to believe that not only was the CIA part of the "conspiracy" BUT they also recorded this involvement on paper AND current CIA employees have knowledge of this recorded involvement and thus are also part of the conspiracy

Yeah, that must be it!

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Finally RQA has left the building......all I hear is crickets

Finally Leonidas has departed us.....all I hear is manlove for Brian Kelly

[Lochgelly]

Originally Posted by RQA

It isn't me saying it that makes it reality, it is physics (and basic physics at that).

That you don't understand this, ought to embarass you.

I am embarrassed...

Embarrassed that I am arguing with a guy about his "physics" ... when he can't even spell "embarrass."

Face it...there is a movie of a guys head being shot from the right front and his head goes "back and to the left" ...

You are arguing that a guy was shot from the "back-right" and his head goes "back and to left."...

That is some strange physics....

Besides...stop arguing RQA...I have already told you that you have won the argument...you have won "the war"...too much time and too many people have died....the truth has been swept uder the rug and now the American Public will never know the real truth...congrats RQA...you deserve a Congressional Medal of Honor for (dis)service to your country. We salute you!

Afterall, we all know the public can't handle the truth.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Lochgelly

I am embarrassed...

Embarrassed that I am arguing with a guy about his "physics" ... when he can't even spell "embarrass."

I even had to concede to Leo/Bearcat once that he was a better speller than I. How embarrassing is that!

Face it...there is a movie of a guys head being shot from the right front and his head goes "back and to the left" ...

That is not at all what the film shows. It shows head movement from back to front along with ejection of blood/brain to the front and then a movement to the back.

You are arguing that a guy was shot from the "back-right" and his head goes "back and to left."...

actually no....see above

That is some strange physics....

the strange physics is your belief that a 15 pound object can be violently moved by an object weighing a few ounces.

Besides...stop arguing RQA...I have already told you that you have won the argument...you have won "the war"...too much time and too many people have died....the truth has been swept uder the rug and now the American Public will never know the real truth...congrats RQA...you deserve a Congressional Medal of Honor for (dis)service to your country. We salute you!

Afterall, we all know the public can't handle the truth.

The Dallas Police knew the truth within hours of the crime. Conspiracy nuts have spent the next 40+ years denying that truth.

[Spartanic]

Originally Posted by RQA

...
The Dallas Police knew the truth within hours of the crime. ....

Not true. What actually happened was LBJ and Hoover notified the Dallas Police chief that LHO was their man and to discontinue any other avenue of investigation. I believe Curry got that call on Saturday, one day after the assassination.

Dallas Police Chief Curry said in 1969 he never had any evidence placing LHO in the Snipers Nest Window at the time of the assassination.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by RQA

The Dallas Police knew the truth within hours of the crime. Conspiracy nuts have spent the next 40+ years denying that truth.

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Not true.

Well, I guess I need to make that "40+ years plus a few hours"

What actually happened was LBJ and Hoover notified the Dallas Police chief that LHO was their man and to discontinue any other avenue of investigation. I believe Curry got that call on Saturday, one day after the assassination.

Please provide references for this crazy claim.

Plus why would LBJ and Hoover allow the DPD to investigate the crime for a full day before calling it to a halt? By then they knew the answer. More crazy CN assassination logic.

Dallas Police Chief Curry said in 1969 he never had any evidence placing LHO in the Snipers Nest Window at the time of the assassination.

Again, provide the reference and context.
And by reference I do not mean some reference to a conspiracy nut book.

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by RQA

the strange physics is your belief that a 15 pound object can be violently moved by an object weighing a few ounces.

.

Ah, last I checked F = M x A

So you think something that weighs a few ounces traveling at a very high velocity can't move something weighing 15 pounds? Just shows how stupid you really are when it comes to physics

So I guess (in your mind) a nuclear weapon that weighs a couple thousand pounds can't move something that weighs more than it does?