Who killed President Kennedy

[AbbottHallAbsyntheDrinker]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us...Rv4bW2XQl2nBjQ
Kennedy Assassination Trove Is Released

[EComCon]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

RQA,

What happened to Cord Meyer's (CIA operation Mockingbird) wife (who had an affair with JFK)?

BTW, you never did answer the question of whether or not the CIA (or rogue elements of it...maybe even Allen Dulles) had reason to be pissed off with JFK.

YouTube - An American Affair - Starring Gretchen Mol and Noah Wyle

Here ya go. A little bit'o "history" coming to your local PSYnOPlex

An American Affair

Mary Pinchot was born on 14th October, 1920. Her father Amos Pinchot, was a wealthy lawyer who helped fund the radical journal, The Masses. He was also a key figure in the Progressive Party. Her mother, Ruth Pinchot, was a journalist who worked for worked for magazines such as The Nation and The New Republic.

As a child Mary was brought into contact with left-wing intellectuals. People like Mabel Dodge, Crystal Eastman, Max Eastman, Louis Brandeis, Robert La Follette and Harold Ickes were regular visitors at their Grey Towers home in Milford, Pennsylvania.

Mary attended Brearley School and Vassar College. In 1938 she began going out with William Attwood. It was while with Attwood at a dance held at Choate that she met John F. Kennedy for the first time...

Allen W. Dulles made contact with Cord Meyer in 1951. He accepted the invitation to join the CIA. Dulles told Meyer he wanted him to work on a project that was so secret that he could not be told about it until he officially joined the organization. Meyer was to work under Frank Wisner, director of the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the CIA. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

Meyer became part of what became known as Operation Mockingbird, a CIA program to influence the mass media. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great: Katharine Graham and the Washington Post): Meyer was Mockingbird's "principal operative".

Mary and the family now moved to Washington where they became members of the Georgetown Crowd. This group included Frank Wisner, Richard Bissell, Desmond FitzGerald, Joseph Alsop, Tracy Barnes, Philip Graham, Katharine Graham, David Bruce, Clark Clifford, Walt Rostow, Eugene Rostow, Chip Bohlen and Paul Nitze. The Meyers also socialized with other CIA officers or CIA assets James Angleton (Cicely Angleton), Wistar Janney (Mary Wisnar), Ben Bradlee (Antoinette Bradlee) and James Truitt (Anne Truitt)...

In the summer of 1954 the Meyers got new neighbours. John F. Kennedy and his wife Jackie Kennedy purchased Hickory Hill, a house several hundred yards from where the Meyers lived. Mary became good friends with Jackie and they went on walks together...

In January, 1963, Philip Graham, the publisher of the Washington Post, attended a convention of American newspaper editors in Phoenix. Graham, who was suffering from alcoholism, disclosed at the meeting that John F. Kennedy was having an affair with Mary Meyer. No newspaper reported this incident but Kennedy decided to bring an end to the affair. However, they continued to see each other at social functions.

According to his biography, Flashbacks (1983) Timothy Leary claims that Mary phoned him the day after Kennedy was assassinated: "They couldn't control him any more. He was changing too fast. He was learning too much... They'll cover everything up. I gotta come see you. I'm scared. I'm afraid."

In the summer of 1964 Meyer told friends that she believed someone had been inside her house while she was away. On another occasion she told Elizabeth Eisenstein that "she thought she had seen somebody leaving as she walked in". Mary reported these incidents to the police. Eisenstein said Mary was clearly frightened by these incidents.

On 12th October, 1964, Mary Pinchot Meyer was shot dead as she walked along the Chesapeake and Ohio towpath in Georgetown...
Mary Pinchot Meyer

or straight to DVD?

[Spartytruth]

According to his biography, Flashbacks (1983) Timothy Leary claims that Mary phoned him the day after Kennedy was assassinated: "They couldn't control him any more. He was changing too fast. He was learning too much... They'll cover everything up. I gotta come see you. I'm scared. I'm afraid."



Now there's a credible source.

[EComCon]

Best Witness: The Limousine, by Anthony Marsh

Yes there was a bullet hole in the chrome strip

[RQA]

Even Teddy could figure this out.

Kennedy memoir reveals remorse over Chappaquiddick | National News | Comcast.net

Kennedy also wrote in the memoir that he always accepted the official findings on his brother John's assassination.
He said he had a full briefing by Earl Warren, the chief justice on the commission that investigated the Nov. 22, 1963, Dallas shooting, which was attributed to Lee Harvey Oswald. He said he was convinced the Warren Commission got it right and he was "satisfied then, and satisfied now."

[Dr. X]

Originally Posted by RQA

Even Teddy could figure this out.

Kennedy memoir reveals remorse over Chappaquiddick | National News | Comcast.net

[Bracey Wright=respect]

Charles Rogers did it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles...murder_suspect)

[Bracey Wright=respect]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Below is a list of all the known evidence that Oswald did it.

• He was in the book depository building at the time of the shooting.

Sorry I'm getting back to you 5 years later.

There were photos taken earlier in 1963 which showed Oswald holding the same rifle used in the shooting.

He was the only person to leave the depository after the shooting.

The gun used in the shooting was sent to a Dallas post office box under Oswald's name.

1 hour after the assasination of Kennedy, 2 witnesses also saw him murder a police officer in cold blood.

[Ozymandias]

Having been in the Texas School Book Depository, literally a yard away from where Oswald was, there's no way he could have done it alone. If he's doing it alone from up there, why not shoot him when he's on the straightaway coming right at you? Makes no sense to fire at him as he's leaving the plaza and through a tree.

And the magic bullet theory is absolute hogwash.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Bracey Wright=respect

Sorry I'm getting back to you 5 years later.

There were photos taken earlier in 1963 which showed Oswald holding the same rifle used in the shooting.

He was the only person to leave the depository after the shooting.

The gun used in the shooting was sent to a Dallas post office box under Oswald's name.

1 hour after the assasination of Kennedy, 2 witnesses also saw him murder a police officer in cold blood.

- So you are claiming that no one else left the TSBD after the killing? They all just sat there and went about their day? Bull.

- I can understand him being involved in the assassination plot, but I cannot see him doing it all himself. The Magic Bullet theory screams TOTAL BULLCRAP and his choice of waiting to shoot at the car as its driving away from him--when he would have had a clear straight-on shot before the car turned--makes no sense at all for a lone gunman.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

I find it unbelievable anybody with even a wisp of a brain would think Oswald shot Kennedy.

The thing i cant belive people seem willing to overlook,(or flat out lie about)is the fact a good portion of the back of his head was blown off.

Yet when you look at autopsy photo's, it merely has a pencil thin little hole in it, with all his hair still intact. Those two things sure dont wash..........

What washes is the fact that we have on the scene photographic evidence, xray evidence, and autopsy photo evidence proving the back of JFK's head was intact.

Your claim that the back of his head was blown off is not substantiated.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Having been in the Texas School Book Depository, literally a yard away from where Oswald was, there's no way he could have done it alone. If he's doing it alone from up there, why not shoot him when he's on the straightaway coming right at you? Makes no sense to fire at him as he's leaving the plaza and through a tree.

The answer to this question has been known for, oh, about 40 years. That you don't know it demonstrates your ignorance of the basic facts of this case

And the magic bullet theory is absolute hogwash.

See my comment above.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by RQA

The answer to this question has been known for, oh, about 40 years. That you don't know it demonstrates your ignorance of the basic facts of this case



See my comment above.

So why not shoot at him when he drives on Houston? Honestly, I'm curious as to what "fact" renders the idea of him pulling the trigger then as ignorant.


So you believe that a bullet did everything the Magic Bullet did and emerged in good condition?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

So why not shoot at him when he drives on Houston? Honestly, I'm curious as to what "fact" renders the idea of him pulling the trigger then as ignorant.


So you believe that a bullet did everything the Magic Bullet did and emerged in good condition?

Do a little reading on the subject Ozy, otherwise you will just continue to repeat conspiracy claims long discredited.

Shall we start with something basic and simple? The bullet did NOT emerge in good condition.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

Every single Parkland employee said there was a huge hole in the back of his head(Every one, or i should say 21 of 22 i believe it was)do you actually dispute this fact?

That there was a "huge hole in the back of his head"? Yes I dispute that. For the following reasons.

1. It is unlikely that most of them saw the back of JFK's head. He was on a stretcher in the supine position, thus the back of his head was on the stretcher.

2. After reviewing autopsy photos and xrays the Parkland doctors ( I think with one exception) stated that the autopsy reports were consistent with what they saw.

3. There is a reason autopsies are done. The ER is a place for treatment not forensic examination.

4. If you claim a back of the head exit wound you have to have a front of the head entrance wound. Where is it? And where did the shot come from? Not the grassy knoll, that would produce an exit wound in the left side of JFKs head.

5. Why didn't the conspiracy direct the motorcade to doctors that would testify the way they wanted?

[GRR Spartan]

I have thought Oswald was the shooter for years. But I have also thought that Jack Ruby killing Oswald was no coincidence and the FBI under Hoover was in no hurry to ever "solve" the case. I also think while LBJ had no role in the assassination he wasn't unhappy about the fact that once he was president he could get rid of RFK and the rest of the Kennedy crew that ran things much differently than he did.

[RRRicks]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Just look at the facts. He had to shoot accurately through heavy coverage and get the shots off in less than 7 seconds. 1 shot is the kill shot, 1 shot hits the guy under the bridge, so you have the Magic Bullet Theory, which is crap. Oswald was never considered a decent rifleman in the Marines, making a job that only pros could pull off impossible for him to do.

There is so much ignorance in this post it's comical.

And I truly mean lack of knowledge about the facts, not that Ozy is stupid. Many people believe these conspiracy "facts."

[IndoSpartan]

Mary Jo did it out of jealousy. That's why Ted needed to off her.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by RRRicks

There is so much ignorance in this post it's comical.

And I truly mean lack of knowledge about the facts, not that Ozy is stupid. Many people believe these conspiracy "facts."

Instead of saying how "omg that is so filled with BS", how about you say what is wrong there?

Everything I have read about the official story states the following:

- 3 total shots from the TSBD
- 1 head shot to Kennedy
- James Tague was clipped by a shot while standing underneath the triple overpass well past the car
- That leaves 1 bullet for the rest of the wounds, which is explained in the Single Bullet Theory.
- The Warren Commission concludes that those 3 shots were fired in no more than approx. 7 seconds.

What is incorrect in that?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Oz

Just look at the facts. He had to shoot accurately through heavy coverage and get the shots off in less than 7 seconds. 1 shot is the kill shot, 1 shot hits the guy under the bridge, so you have the Magic Bullet Theory, which is crap. Oswald was never considered a decent rifleman in the Marines, making a job that only pros could pull off impossible for him to do.

Originally Posted by RR

There is so much ignorance in this post it's comical.

And I truly mean lack of knowledge about the facts, not that Ozy is stupid. Many people believe these conspiracy "facts."

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Instead of saying how "omg that is so filled with BS", how about you say what is wrong there?

1. There wasn't "heavy coverage"
2. Magic bullet theory is not "crap". It is only crap when conspiracy nuts lie about the relative positions of JFK and Gov Connally and the condition of the bullet when found.
3. Your statement about Oswald and the Marines is an ancient conspiracy nut claim long ago disproven.

Did you get all your info about this case from the Oliver Stone movie? Have you figured out the answer as to why LHO did not take the shot as the limo was going towards the TSBD?

[RRRicks]

Originally Posted by RQA

1. There wasn't "heavy coverage"
2. Magic bullet theory is not "crap". It is only crap when conspiracy nuts lie about the relative positions of JFK and Gov Connally and the condition of the bullet when found.
3. Your statement about Oswald and the Marines is an ancient conspiracy nut claim long ago disproven.

Did you get all your info about this case from the Oliver Stone movie? Have you figured out the answer as to why LHO did not take the shot as the limo was going towards the TSBD?

I learned long ago that there is no point of trying to explain this to people that believe it was a conspiracy. People want so badly to believe there could be some CIA cover up or that Johnson knew about it or the mafia was involved. It's like trying to convince 911 truthers that it was actually terrorists, not the government.

It is frustrating that people believe a movie with made up facts to be truth.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by RRRicks

I learned long ago that there is no point of trying to explain this to people that believe it was a conspiracy. People want so badly to believe there could be some CIA cover up or that Johnson knew about it or the mafia was involved. It's like trying to convince 911 truthers that it was actually terrorists, not the government.

It is frustrating that people believe a movie with made up facts to be truth.

I don't believe its a CIA cover-up or anything, I just think that Oswald didn't act alone.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I don't believe its a CIA cover-up or anything, I just think that Oswald didn't act alone.

And your evidence for this is???????

[EComCon]

Originally Posted by RQA

And your evidence for this is???????

How about Lee Harvey Oswald's relationship to both the FBI and CIA for starters?

JFK 10-point program

...During the Warren Commission hearings, reports were discussed that Oswald was an agent of both the FBI and CIA. For instance, Texas Attorney General Waggoner Carr and District Attorney Henry Wade told the Warren Commission that Oswald was an FBI informant, made $200 a month, and provided his informant number of 179.

Dallas DA Wade told Carr that his source told him Oswald had a CIA employment number. In addition to that, a June 3, 1960 FBI memo features J. Edgar Hoover complaining that someone was using Oswald's identity and he was requesting information on Oswald from the State Department to clarify the situation. Hoover began: "There is a possibility that an imposter is using Oswald's birth certificate..." This is three years before the assassination. FBI employee William Walter later confirmed that, in 1963, he saw an informant file with Oswald's name on it. Hoover would later point out to Lyndon Johnson that the person in Mexico City neither looked nor sounded liked Oswald...

Here's more:

George Joannides - The Education Forum

Photo: In July 1981, retired CIA undercover officer George Joannides (left) received the Distinguished Intelligence Medal for "exceptional achievement" from deputy CIA director Bobby Ray Inman. Among Joannides' achievements were concealing from JFK investigatiors his role in guiding and monitoring a Cuban exile group that gathered intelligence and generated propaganda about accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald before President Kennedy was killed. (Credit: CIA)
Dead Spy's JFK Files Pose a Test for Obama's FOIA Order | TPMCafe

Will the CIA obey the law? | Jefferson Morley's Blog

Probe V6N6: Oswald, the CIA and Mexico City

Probe V7N5: James Jesus Angleton and the Kennedy Assassination: Part 1

Probe V7N6: James Jesus Angleton and the Kennedy Assassination: Part 2

Probe V4N1: The Paines and the Minox Camera

Findings - Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations - FBI

CIA FILES AND THE PRE-ASSASSINATION
FRAMING OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD

Who was Lee Harvey Oswald? - Democratic Underground

Cut-outs, moles, patsies and provocateurs

Lee Harvey Oswald - The Patsy

[RQA]

Originally Posted by EComCon

How about Lee Harvey Oswald's relationship to both the FBI and CIA for starters?

ECom, linking us to the wackiest of the wacko conspiracy websites is not evidence. Of course the FBI and CIA knew about LHO. After all he was an ex-Marine that lived in the USSR and then returned to the USA.

Are you claiming that the "FBI" and "CIA" (in a joint operation, no less) killed JFK? Or in typical conspiracy modus operandi, simply throwing out random speculation and inuendo?