Who killed President Kennedy

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

All but one person at Parkland(20 something nurses and doctors) said his head had a huge wound in the back of it..and said this right soon after the event.Only much later did they change their minds, after having pressure put on them to do so(which several have come out and stated)


I believe this huge number of hospital staff are well aware of what a huge hole in the back of somebodies head looks like, and were virtually in unison right after the event describing it. Night and day difference between a pencil like wound(like the doctored autopsy photo depicts )and his whole head being blown off in the back, like over a score of eyewitnesses saw, many professionals.

Several secret service agents testified AT THE WARREN COMMISION that the back of his head was missing...what part dont you get.

The huge wound was pasted over BECAUSE it proves he was shot from the front. Same with the small entrance wound in his throat, that doctors back east " wallowed out" to make it appear like an exit wound. the Dallas doctors didnt butcher his throat like that, and they reported only a small several millimeter in diameter entrance hole was there initially.

Oswald had the worst rating as a shooter you could get in the Marines and still pass, and he BARELY passed even at that.He was far from being a crack shot, he barely passed the minimum requirement to be a Marine, BARELY.

There is no conclusive evidence showing he had sighted that cheap rifle in and even practiced with it, that i am aware of, that exists.

And you cannot examine the brain of Kennedy to see where the entrance wound is because it was taken by someone in his family during the autopsy.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by RQA

And your evidence for this is???????

Just my gut feeling. I don't think that just his 3 shots could have pulled off all those wounds. And also, if he's working alone, you shoot him on the straight-away. You (or someone else) have said that thinking Oswald should have fired while the motorcade was on Houston is stupid/illogical. Why is that? Have you ever been up in the TSBD? Having been up there, it's mindboggling why someone whose working alone would want to fire at him as he's driving away. Its a perfect shot if you go for him on Houston.

But that's just my two cents.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

All but one person at Parkland(20 something nurses and doctors) said his head had a huge wound in the back of it..and said this right soon after the event.Only much later did they change their minds, after having pressure put on them to do so(which several have come out and stated)


I believe this huge number of hospital staff are well aware of what a huge hole in the back of somebodies head looks like, and were virtually in unison right after the event describing it. Night and day difference between a pencil like wound(like the doctored autopsy photo depicts )and his whole head being blown off in the back, like over a score of eyewitnesses saw, many professionals.

Several secret service agents testified AT THE WARREN COMMISION that the back of his head was missing...what part dont you get.

The eye-witness testimony at Parkland was conflicting and confusing. As I noted previously it is doubtful that any of these witnesses actually saw the back of his head. But because eye-witness testimony is unreliable (have you ever studied any criminal justice?) we use other evidence to correlate some and eliminate other eye-witness testimony. So what do we do here?

Well, you can concoct a conspiracy that would involve those who selected the site of autopsy (the Kennedy family), well-respected doctors and technicians OR you can look at real evidence like this: which proves that the back of JFK's head was NOT blown out.

The huge wound was pasted over BECAUSE it proves he was shot from the front. Same with the small entrance wound in his throat, that doctors back east " wallowed out" to make it appear like an exit wound. the Dallas doctors didnt butcher his throat like that, and they reported only a small several millimeter in diameter entrance hole was there initially.

A shot from the front. Where is the entrance wound? Where was the shot taken from?

Oswald had the worst rating as a shooter you could get in the Marines and still pass, and he BARELY passed even at that.He was far from being a crack shot, he barely passed the minimum requirement to be a Marine, BARELY.

At some point you have to give up the lies. LHO scored as a sharpshooter, not the minimum required. Minimum to be a Marine was marksman.

There is no conclusive evidence showing he had sighted that cheap rifle in and even practiced with it, that i am aware of, that exists.

Irrelevant to the criminal investigation, but it is likely based on testimony from Marina that LHO did practice with his rifle.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Just my gut feeling. I don't think that just his 3 shots could have pulled off all those wounds. And also, if he's working alone, you shoot him on the straight-away. You (or someone else) have said that thinking Oswald should have fired while the motorcade was on Houston is stupid/illogical. Why is that? Have you ever been up in the TSBD? Having been up there, it's mindboggling why someone whose working alone would want to fire at him as he's driving away. Its a perfect shot if you go for him on Houston.

But that's just my two cents.

Yes, I have been in the TSBD (a trip which started my interest in this subject) and I was surprised (after reading the conspiracy nuts) what an easy shot it actually was.

OK, I will help you out with the Houston Street quandry. The crowd on Houston was thicker than on Elm and they were facing the TSBD. A gunman in a window would be obvious. On Elm the crowd was looking away from the TSBD.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by RQA

Yes, I have been in the TSBD (a trip which started my interest in this subject) and I was surprised (after reading the conspiracy nuts) what an easy shot it actually was.

OK, I will help you out with the Houston Street quandry. The crowd on Houston was thicker than on Elm and they were facing the TSBD. A gunman in a window would be obvious. On Elm the crowd was looking away from the TSBD.

The eye-level of the crowd on Houston would be down near the motorcade, so I would think that a rifle 6 flights up wouldn't be noticed by many.

[EComCon]

Originally Posted by RQA

At some point you have to give up the lies. LHO scored as a sharpshooter, not the minimum required. Minimum to be a Marine was marksman.

Oswald actually attained each of those levels at different points...

Oswald A Poor Shot?

------Oswald's Marine Rifle Scores------

Even after weeks of practice and intensive training, Oswald barely managed to qualify at the level of "Sharpshooter," the middle of three rifle qualification levels in the Marines. He obtained a score of 212, two points above the minimum for the "Sharpshooter" level. In other words, even after extensive training and practice, and even though he was firing at stationary targets with a semi-automatic rifle and had plenty of time to shoot (even during the so-called "rapid-fire" phase), Oswald narrowly missed scoring at the lowest possible qualification level.

The next time Oswald fired for record in the Marines, he barely managed to qualify at all, obtaining a score of 191, which was one point above the minimum needed for the lowest qualification level, "Marksman." To put it another way, he came within two points of failing to qualify...

Craig Roberts: Kill Zone - The Education Forum

Consider also Carlos Hathcock, America's most deadly military sniper(93 confirmed kills in Vietnam). he attempted to stage, and replicate Oswald's performance in a mock up at, I think, Quantico. Despite repeated attempts this ace shooter could not come close to repeating Oswald's performance. When asked why he now beleived Oswald had not done the shooting at Dealy Plaza he replied, "Because I couldn't do it"...

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

The eye-level of the crowd on Houston would be down near the motorcade, so I would think that a rifle 6 flights up wouldn't be noticed by many.

Oh really?

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by RQA

Oh really?

I'm not saying that it would go completely unnoticed, but I think most people would be looking at the President, so their eyes wouldn't be drifting 6 flights up in the air.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I'm not saying that it would go completely unnoticed, but I think most people would be looking at the President, so their eyes wouldn't be drifting 6 flights up in the air.

[MichState04]

Where's the George W. Bush option?

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by RQA

Huh? There would probably be a few people that would see the rifle, but not the majority of the crowd.

[Rocinante]

Thread fail. No Tanfan.

[Seth Galifianakis]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Huh? There would probably be a few people that would see the rifle, but not the majority of the crowd.

Who says the majority of the crowd would have to see him to ruin the shot?

[Dr. X]

Are these the same person?

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Seth Galifianakis

Who says the majority of the crowd would have to see him to ruin the shot?

Even if people see him, he can still get off a shot or two.

[RQA]

Consider also Carlos Hathcock, America's most deadly military sniper(93 confirmed kills in Vietnam). he attempted to stage, and replicate Oswald's performance in a mock up at, I think, Quantico. Despite repeated attempts this ace shooter could not come close to repeating Oswald's performance

Carlos (now deceased, I believe) should have been embarrassed about this, if true. We have a human target only about 100 yards away and moving very slowly (maybe 10mph). The shot has been replicated with a 45 handgun for Pete's sake.

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Dr. X

Are these the same person?

What do we see here?

1st photo: JFK in supine position. Note we do NOT see that back of his head. We do see a mop of bloody hair and part of a skull defect on the right side of his head.

2nd photo: again we do NOT see the back of his head. We do see a mop of bloody hair

3rd photo: here we see the back of his head (INTACT) and what looks to be an entrance wound.

So your point is?????

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Even if people see him, he can still get off a shot or two.

But his intent was to escape, wasn't it?

[RQA]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

Nurse who was there..her sworn statement.



http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/hutton1.gif

Ever consider the possiblity that she might have been wrong in her observatons? Did she roll JFK over so she could see the back of his head and study his head wound? Was she a forensic specialist or pathologist?

You have nothing to say about a photo I showed you taken immediately after the shooting proving the back of JFK's head to be intact.

[EComCon]

Originally Posted by Dr. X

Are these the same person?

Good point, Doctor!

BTW who spilled that jar of jelly on his head?